Thank you, Mr. Steen. General comments. Mr. Krutko.
Debates of July 6th, 2000
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, another area that I have concerns about is in regard to the specific amounts that can be let go for different types of contracts or to do work on spec. Is there a specific amount set in either guideline that does not have to go to public tender?
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Rattray
Mr. Chairman, the only contracts value that comes into play are contracts under $1,000. The government's contract regulations specify that if the value of the contract is under $1,000 or if it is an architectural or engineering contract under $25,000, those can be dealt with as sole-source contracts. There are no other dollar guidelines.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Who has the ability to establish these sole-source contracts for $25,000 without having to go to public tender?
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Rattray
Mr. Chairman, we have delegated that authority to the regional project staff and the regional superintendent.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is there any way that the department can monitor the number of these sole-source contracts being used by one particular individual within the department, whether it is regional staff or the superintendent? Do you guys monitor how many of these contracts are being used, how many companies are accessing it? There was a concern in the last Assembly in regard to the misuse of a lot of these powers by different people. It avoids them having to go to public tender but also they do use specific firms and other firms who may have the ability to compete, do not have the opportunity to bid on these contracts. Is there a way of monitoring how these contracts are let go and how many of these contracts have been used by individuals within the department to other companies?
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Rattray
Mr. Chairman, the department does maintain a listing of all contracts that are issued. I review those on a regular basis. The Member did raise that issue about a year, a year and a half ago, if I recall correctly. We looked into it at the time. I believe it was specifically with respect to architectural and engineering contracts. I believe the interest was in making sure the local firm was receiving a reasonable amount of business. We continue to do that, taking into account that there must be the actual skills within that firm to do the particular type of work we require. If that company does not have the particular skills, we can and do go further into the field in order to acquire those skills.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the reason I raise the concern is because I have heard, especially from different people within the Inuvik region, that there has been some patronage towards specific operators who seem to get a lot of these government contracts. People do not have an opportunity to bid on a lot of them. How closely do you monitor these to ensure there is not one company getting 90 percent of the contracts and there are only ten percent of the contracts going out to the rest of the community?
Do you have the ability to have these documents reviewed? I was going to suggest you do an audit to see if this activity is taking place. You may not notice it because you get different reports. I think through a specific audit to see if this is happening and if it is happening, I think we have some serious problems. How in-depth do you get in the evaluations? Do you do an actual audit to see if these people have made an attempt to go to public tenders or if they are just using this process as a front for getting specific dollars out to different areas?
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Rattray
Mr. Chairman, we have not done an audit per se. Again, we have the knowledge of the type of work various companies can do. We have knowledge of the type of work we require to be done. The actual decisions are typically made in the region. Unless something in the routine reports indicate there is something out of whack, you are quite correct. We do not pursue it further than that. The number of contracts we are talking about is relatively small in that region. Again, we have a pretty good idea as to who is capable of doing the work.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is the concern. If there is only one person you classify as being capable getting all of the work, it does not really open up the door for other operators to get into that specific field. That is the whole intention of contracts and whatnot, so people can build that expertise and entice people to the region, develop their management skills and also their service contracts.
By doing that sort of methodology that you are not qualified so you do not count, you can buy that expertise to get it in the area. I feel we have to get away from this practice. We have to ensure that it is an open, public process. I would like to ask the Minister if he is willing to consider doing a review of this particular area in the Inuvik region?
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am willing to do a review to see if everybody is being treated fairly. I believe my department has been making an effort to treat everybody fairly. We will take the Member's concerns under consideration and I will do a review of the Inuvik area again.
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