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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Minister.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did give a preamble to the process, so I will ask the deputy minister to give a specific detailed outline of the process. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Some of this we discussed when I was down in Fort Providence in the fall. There is a recognition that the Property Assessment and Taxation Act, which deals with the taxation side of your question, is out of date and needs to be revisited and redone. We are taking some long-term steps, working with the Department of Finance, and in the fall of this year, we are going to be doing some options for revenue generation and looking at alternate ways of how this might be done.

We do have a piece of legislation today that we are bound by called the Property Assessment and Taxation Act. We have to send out assessment notices and the Department of Finance has to send out tax notices. That is legally binding. The recognition is that we are hoping to have some proposals done later this year that could be consulted on over the next year. I believe this is an issue that will take a wide-ranging level of consultation between the various communities and groups, and then put forward legislative proposals later on, say in 2002. That is the game plan that we have in front of us. It is not one that can be fixed in the short term, because it is a piece of legislation that will require a total rewrite. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The deputy minister has indicated that there is a process to be followed for assessment and that is what they have to abide by. My question is, and that is why I am requesting a review, I believe that part of the process is to physically go out to the communities, look at the properties and assess them accordingly.

We have some properties that have houses that are more or less tent frames and they are being assessed a certain weight. I do not believe that the process was followed to the tee. It has been something that was done out of the offices here.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Minister.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We can certainly take a strong push to looking at it and re-evaluating the overall approach. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further along my line of questioning, in the last response to my question earlier from the Minister, groups in the community wanted to purchase land at a more affordable rate. It would be with the department, would it not, who would set that price, whether it be the municipal government who wanted to acquire more of the Commissioner's land within the municipal boundaries of the community? The department would set the price, whether it be the municipal government, the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in? They would have to meet that price, correct?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the government directly sells the land itself, its own Commissioner's land, then we would set the price. If it is the community, if the land is transferred to the community, it becomes community lands and then they set the price.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is the understanding I have as well. Right now, I think the talk is on Commissioner's land within the community boundaries. The department would be the one who set the price. If you are going to set the price, the price would be available for any of the groups in the community. You would not have one price for one group and another price for another. It would be a set price that anybody from within the community could access from the government land or Commissioner's land, correct?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Generally speaking, we would not directly sell Commissioner's land. That is one of the reasons we have been, if you will, facilitating this process amongst the groups and the community. The preference is to have the land go to the community government, then they deal with the groups in the community, and in a process, that works out.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My line of questioning is quite similar to what Mr. McLeod and Mr. Roland have been looking at. In going into the business plan put forward by the department, and a couple of paragraphs that address the problems, the management of Commissioner's land is problematic is the way the paragraph leads. Further to the business plan is a process here that begins to identify it in terms of how to action this.

The business plan suggests that land leases are going to be invoiced by the end of this coming fiscal year. That is fine. I understand the backlog is quite a problem and the paperwork and the collection side. I do not know if that begins to address what seems to be a much larger and overall problem.

Also in the business plan, Mr. Chairman, the department says that during this current fiscal year, Municipal and Community Affairs undertook a major review of many aspects and has developed a work plan to address these problems. Along with the clearing up of the invoice backlog, I am wondering if the department could give us a sense of what that work plan is to address the overall issues of land management and Commissioner's land? Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Minister.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Murray will answer that question. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have identified four key strategy areas within the lands administration area that we feel will help achieve a goal of an efficient land administration system. Those four areas of strategies are turning residential leases into title to promote home ownership and reduce the administrative burden. Right now, leases have to be renewed every five years and things like that. Once it is done in title, the only time it is transacted is when the land is bought and sold. That is one area.

The second area of strategy is to transfer more lands to government ownership or government control -- community governments, excuse me.

The third area is to have transferring of federal lands within community boundaries to the GNWT, or return the implementation to DIAND. We have had an arrangement for 15 years -- as far as I know, if not longer -- whereby the department was providing DIAND with administrative services of their lands inside communities, but we were doing it for no cost. I think we need to either recoup something for the work we are doing or let them administer their own lands. That is something we need to discuss at length with the federal government and with DIAND locally as well.

The fourth area, as you mentioned, is the whole area of sound administrative practice, which is cleaning up billing, just by reducing the number of leases you have. If you take all of the residential leases and over time they become title, it reduces your administrative responsibility and reduces the paper flow. We are working on those four key strategy areas, and work continues on those. Not just within Municipal and Community Affairs, but with the other departments involved, for instance, the Housing Corporation as it relates to residential leases. They have many of the homes in the small communities and other communities may be involved with the Housing Corporation or their programs.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the department give us a sense, a ballpark picture of what kind of arrears, how much money is owing on these backlogs due to the paperwork and the backlog on the invoicing? Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Murray.