Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The other area concerns the whole area of disability. A lot of times in our communities, people are not really diagnosed with what can be classified as a disability. Do you have an exact definition of what a person with a disability is? What if someone has a bad case of arthritis and are not able to use their hands? Or because of illness, they became bedridden? Do you actually have to have a form or a doctor's certificate stating you are disabled?

Mr. Chairman, I think that question really should be directed back to Health and Social Services. The program service we provide pertained to the question regarding senior citizen and disabled persons property tax relief. I wanted to deal with it in that context with the particular question the Member had asked. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department is delivering this program, that is why I am asking it in the context of the budget. How do we determine if a person has a disability? Do you have to have a physical disability or a mental disability? One of the concerns I have run into in the communities, especially with respect to the elderly, once you get to a certain age, you are not as mobile as you were in the past. In their view, they have a disability. In the context of a government program, where you may need to meet certain criteria to be eligible for this program, do you have an eligibility criteria for a disabled person to access this program?

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. It may not be up to the department to define who is disabled, but I will allow the Minister to answer. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For greater certainty to the question, we follow the definition established and set out by Health and Social Services. Yes, the Member is correct. We have earmarked $44,000 to meet our obligations in terms of the senior citizen and disabled persons property tax relief. To be very specific, we follow the definition established by Health and Social Services. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can I get a copy of what the definition is?

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we will retrieve a copy and submit it to the Member. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The other area I have is working cooperatively in conjunction with the seniors societies, the Council for Disabled Persons, and the other organizations and institutions out there. How are we getting the message out to the seniors and people with disabilities that this program exists and that they should not have to pay property taxes? You have a form there and you will get a rebate if you file it at the same time. Sure we have a Minister responsible for Seniors and what not, but I think we also have to realize that we have to start working more cooperatively with other institutions and organizations that are out there to assist with this program.

I do not feel comfortable where we say "my responsibility is in this area" when we talk about property taxes, and yet it is in conjunction with seniors' programs. I would like to ask the Minister, how do you formulate this information so that it is publicly accessible and publicly made aware of through the TV, radio, newspapers? Do you have a program which you publish concerning these grants and other rebates that are out there, so people are aware that they exist and how they are able to access them? You mentioned a 1-800 number, which is more in line with the Seniors' Society, but I think that as a government, we have to do more to promote that.

I would like to ask the Minister what tools this government is using to ensure we are promoting and we are making people aware of these programs.

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is a very valid question and I believe the simplest process is to harmonize the common approach in the way we communicate to the seniors and to our residents at large. I think we can coordinate the number of programs that are designed specifically for seniors. In our case, it is the tax relief and those grants to the elderly that would apply here. I believe it would be nice if we could all get together and promote it simultaneously where each community knows exactly what programs the residents are entitled to, whether it is seniors, youth or otherwise. I certainly will take that and use that as a method by which we could get that back to the residents. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Page 4-35, regional operations, grants and contributions, grants, total grants, $30,583,000. Agreed?

Page 4-37, regional operations, total contributions, $11,789,000. Agreed?

Total grants and contributions, $42,372,000. Agreed?

Page 4-39, School of Community Government, budget summary, operations expense, total operations expense, $1,672,000. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under compensation and benefits, this is salary for headquarters staff. Does this include all salaries? For example, does it include overtime in that area? Thank you.