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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I cannot disagree with the Minister at all. I do agree that these are important initiatives and I think that they are investments in our future.

However, I guess if we do not have an endless supply of money, we do have to make choices. I would say that we should carefully examine whether or not the further investment in money comes in adult training programs or increasing the funding at the early childhood level or in primary or secondary education. The first twelve years of formal education and before.

We know how much of a payback we can get from an investment in early childhood development. We know that we get savings for government, about seven dollars for every one dollar that is invested in early childhood development.

I am not sure that we get the same level of return from this type of investment. So unless we can afford to do both, I think we have to look at where the balance is. That was the point of my question. I think we may be jumping on this bandwagon with a lot of enthusiasm. I think that is good, but I think we need to examine our priorities.

I think we would be better served by moving some of that $11 million into the early childhood programs or into school programs and taking a look at whether or not, for instance, the pupil-teacher ratio; should it be an average? Or should it be considered, as what we set right now, as an upper limit? Move our targets to bring the pupil-teacher ratio down and put more money into classroom support so that kids have a better chance of success.

That is the purpose for my question. It is not to say that these are not good initiatives. I think they are, but if we can afford to go for $5 million to $8 million to $11 million in this one program, I think that we have to say, at the same time saying, we have no more money for early childhood development or for schools. I think we have to examine our priorities and say maybe there is a saw-off here that we have to make.

That is really what I am hoping we can take a look at, rather than just continuing to look at these initiatives as they come forward.

I do not have a question on that. That is a comment. I am hoping the government will move to reexamine its focus on this and perhaps take a look at increasing the funding in the early childhood or the schools area.

One question I do have, or further question I have on this page, Mr. Chairman. The $225,000 for the Social Agenda Conference; is this the entire cost that we are expecting to see for this conference? If not, could the Minister advise us what the expectation is that the total cost for that conference will be?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, just to comment on the setting of priorities. Let me just clarify that while we are spending up to $11 million on Maximizing Northern Employment, we have not forgotten early childhood and in-school programs.

In fact, in this same supplementary appropriation, there is a request for $2 million for early childhood that we have included in here. We also have legislation in place requiring us to act on lowering the pupil-teacher ratio at the school level.

However, the reality is that we have jobs out there today, and this winter and next year and so on, that we have to prepare people for. I appreciate the Member's comments. We will keep in mind the need to balance out our spending and get returns. We also want to put an emphasis on investments that we will be able to measure and know whether or not they will be giving us early returns. If they are not, then we will cease those ones.

In terms of the costs for the Social Agenda Conference, the $225,000 is not the full cost. The full cost is estimated at $325,000. The additional costs were funded from within the existing appropriations of the Department of the Executive and from the social envelope departments. Our estimate right now is $327,000 for the full cost of the conference. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

General comments. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the area of supplementary identified under here as special warrants at $3,456,000 as approved on April 5, 2001, my question is why would this be a few days after the main estimates were approved? Can the Minister inform us as to why this required a special warrant and was not planned for during the process? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The Minister of the Financial Management Board, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, this amount was $310,000 for northern student employment programs and $3,146,000 for northern graduate employment programs. While we announced the initiative in the budget, we did not have the details worked about how this programs were going to be structured, but it was necessary to have early approval of these in order to not create delays in hiring graduates and in providing student summer employment. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My recollection is that these programs were announced early in the winter. I believe in January some announcement was given as to these programs were being looked into and planning to take down and get involved with. At that time, why were some figures, even holding figures, not placed in the budget to establish them? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, we did have a $5 million holding figure for Maximizing Northern Employment in the budget. We did not have the detail of each of these programs. That was worked out later but too late to include in the budget. There was a $5 million holding figure. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under special warrants, where would you get the initial revenue for it for those expenditures?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, I am not sure if I understand the question, but the funding for this would come out of general revenue.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A little more specific in my question under special warrants. According to the Financial Administration Act, special warrants can be expended and approved and dollars can be taken out of certain areas, whether it is other projects or other identified dollars. Then, when approval is granted, I guess you can put the money back. Do I have the correct understanding of this process? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Financial Administration Act does provide an option for the consideration by the Financial Management Board, and that option is to take the money to finance the special warrant from some other location. In this case, the Financial Management Board chose not to do that, and instead chose to fund it from general revenues.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

General comments. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, may I seek some clarification. I thought we were already in detail. I did have page 8 of this bill. Is that not the case?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

We are under Executive, operations expenditures, Cabinet Secretariat, special warrant, $3,456,000, not previously authorized, $225,000. Cabinet Secretariat, special warrant, $3,456,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Not previously authorized, $225,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.