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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps my way of answering this question at this point in time, I would simply go through the accumulative surpluses and deficits, as they stood March 31st, 2000, and then update that for the projected surplus deficit for last year.

The Deh Cho Board had an accumulative surplus at March 31st, 2000, of $755,000; the Deninu, $46,000 surplus; the Dogrib, $170,000 surplus; Fort Smith had a deficit of $390,000; Hay River, a surplus of $678,000; Inuvik, a deficit of $409,000; Lutselk'e, a deficit of $24,000; Stanton, a deficit of $1,300,000; and the Yellowknife Health and Social Services Board had a $648,000 surplus.

They are projecting the deficit for the year, last year...actually, Deh Cho is expecting a surplus; Deninu is $35,000 deficit; the Dogrib are expecting a $574,000 deficit; Fort Smith, $534,000 deficit; Hay River, $1,000,000 deficit; Inuvik, a $756,000 deficit; Lutselk'e, an $18,000 deficit; Stanton, a $1,200,000 deficit; and the Yellowknife Health and Social Services Board, a surplus of $178,000.

In this supplementary, there is $3.9 million worth of forced growth funding being provided to the boards to help them deal with their financial requirements for this year. In the case of the work the department is doing, they have been working very extensively with the boards to assess their financial situations, assess why their expenditures are what they are, and work out what part of their deficit has been legitimate forced growth versus what part might have been discretional spending that the board had control of and made the decision to spend on and working through all of that, working out a deficit recovery plan with each of the boards. That additional work is still ongoing.

This is the initial assessment of the legitimate forced growth that the boards require. That is why it is coming forward in this form at this time. As you can tell from the figures I read out, there is still some work to do with boards in assessing their expenditures and assessing the way that is best for each board to deal with the funding situation it is in.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Voytilla. Mr. Roland.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the area of primary and acute care programs, expanding a little further on what Mr. Dent has been discussing in the area of forced growth, I look at some numbers here and, maybe it is just how I interpret it or my math compared to Mr. Voytilla's math or the Department of Health and Social Services, for example, to provide funding for a third internal medicine specialist for associated support staff at Stanton Regional Hospital, $420,000. Then when you look at it again, the Stanton Regional Health Board, when you look at just forced growth funding of $915,000, when you look at standardized physician contracts in the Northwest Territories of $1.4 million, not all of that would be accounted for Stanton. I agree. However, a large portion would be because of the amount of doctors here.

When you look at the $1,413,000 below that, again to deal with the clinics purchased here for the primary health care services delivery model in Yellowknife, one can argue that is a separate area, but, in fact, that has an impact on how things are carried out, how those physicians work for other residents in the Territories. It is hard to separate.

However, when you add those up, for example, just trying to isolate the one for Stanton, my numbers are over $1 million and whatever portion is out of the $1,460,000 that would go towards Stanton.

If, for example, you did not address the $420,000 for an internal medicine specialist, we would see a larger deficit, is the way I would see it. So are we, in fact, by this supplementary appropriation, dealing more with some of the ongoing problems that we have heard about in the past number of months, rather than dealing with new initiatives. Is that a correct interpretation on my part? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Handley.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, first of all, let me just say that none of the $1,460,000 goes to Stanton. It is all for the other hospitals.

Are we dealing with an ongoing problem, as compared to new initiatives? I suppose you could say that we are because this same problem has been going on for a long time.

That $1,460,000 goes, roughly, $379,702 to Fort Smith; $755,594 to Hay River; and $499,419 to Inuvik. The Yellowknife Board actually loses $574,290.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is a breakdown of the $1,460,000. When I look at, again, the numbers; $420,000, the $915,00 that has been identified as a historical base funding shortfall, 1997 to 1998 and 2001 to 2002, is over $1 million. Is that correct? In fact, are we expending more on an ongoing basis? If we did not address this funding at this point, we would in fact be looking at an additional $1.3 million, let us say, of deficit.

Just another one, Mr. Chairman, the simple fact that as we look at it, the Minister stated this has a long history, but according to what Mr. Voytilla stated to Mr. Dent, in 1997-1998, 1998-1999 years, the budget had an accumulated surplus of some $300,000. This shortfall we are talking about is in fact in the last year, pretty well, year and a half, maybe two years. In 1999-2000, there must be some identifiable situation that has come around to suddenly increase this and turn things around totally. If we can get some information on that. How will we address that so that next year, or in three months time when we come back for the fall, for example, addressing another supplementary appropriation to deal with these shortfalls?

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, there has been a turnaround in the last few years. As Mr. Voytilla pointed out, some of these boards were in a surplus position until last year or the year before that. How are we ensuring that we do not continue to see this happening? That is what the Department of Health and Social Services is working on with the boards to ensure that we do not have a trend going on here that continues to demand more and more money.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The Chair will recognize the clock at 6:00 p.m. and will rise to report progress.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

The House will come back to order. Item 20, report of committee of the whole. The Chair recognizes the honourable Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 3, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, and Bill 4, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2001-2002 and would like to report that Bill 3 is ready for third reading. Mr. Speaker, I move the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. Do we have a seconder for the motion? The Chair recognizes the honourable Member for Nunakput, Mr. Steen. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? Thank you. All those opposed? The motion is carried. The Chair recognizes the honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to return to Item 13, tabling of documents.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to item 13, tabling of documents. Are there any nays? There being no nays, Mr. Dent.

Tabled Document 13-14(4): Page C-13 Of News/north, Monday, June 11, 2001
Revert To Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to table page C-13 from today's News/North, Monday June 11th edition.

Tabled Document 13-14(4): Page C-13 Of News/north, Monday, June 11, 2001
Revert To Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 21, third reading of bills. Item 22, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

June 11th, 2001

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, meeting of the Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development at adjournment tonight. Meetings for tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. of the Cabinet House Strategy, 9:00 a.m. of the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight; a full Caucus at 10:00 a.m.; of the Special Committee on the Review of the Official Languages at 11:00 a.m. and of the Standing Committee on Social Programs at 12:00 p.m.

Orders of the day for Tuesday, June 12, 2001:

  1. Prayer
  2. Ministers' Statements
  3. Members' Statements
  4. Returns to Oral Questions
  5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
  6. Oral Questions
  7. Written Questions
  8. Returns to Written Questions
  9. Replies to Opening Address
  10. Petitions
  11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
  12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
  13. Tabling of Documents
  14. Notices of Motion
  15. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills
  16. Motions
  17. First Reading of Bills
  18. Second Reading of Bills
  19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
  20. - Minister's Statement 1-14(4), Sessional Statement

    - Minister's Statement 3-14(4), Fiscal and Economic Update

    - Minister's Statement 4-14(4), Update on the Social Agenda

    - Bill 4, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2001-2002

  21. Report of Committee of the Whole
  22. Third Reading of Bills
  23. Orders of the Day

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Again, congratulations on your 21 years of clerkship. I understand from certain information that you may almost be the longest serving Clerk in Canada. This House stands adjourned until Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 1:30 p.m.

-- ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 6:07 p.m.