Thank you, Mr. Speaker. According to news articles, the Premier addressed this in a public way at least a month after the filing was done by the Power Corporation and he still did not respond. Did his staff tell him that the Power Corporation was going against a directive of Cabinet after the filing was done, and how soon after the filing? Thank you.
Debates of Oct. 17th, 2002
This is page numbers 981 - 1018 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was power.
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Supplementary To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Supplementary To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will check with my staff and my office to see when I was first informed of it, by whom, and share that with the Members. Thank you. As I have said, this was a Cabinet decision in August. We had a Minister designated to initiate action to implement a decision. It was left with the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. A rate application was made in early September. The Minister was traveling at the time, and I think the first Cabinet meeting that was held following his return was the meeting two weeks ago. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland.
Supplementary To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we keep going back to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation, but the Premier is the head of this government and heads the table of Cabinet. This was a Cabinet record of decision and obviously, by the sounds of it here, it was contravened. Did not the Premier, when at least he saw the ads in the papers and heard of this concern, did he not act on this? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have said, this was a Cabinet decision and every Cabinet decision designates a Minister that is given responsibility for initiating action to implement that particular decision. I accept my responsibility to ensure that Ministers carry out their duties and to see that Cabinet direction is followed. It is something that I take seriously, as Members know, and it is my prerogative I think to follow up the best way I can. In this case, I elected to wait for Cabinet to meet.
We had a very thorough discussion about it, and following that I waited a couple of days just to ensure that the decision that was made in August was clear by the staff, that the staff shared the view of Cabinet that the decision was clear. I also wanted to know from the legal advisors, the Department of Justice, if in their view the Cabinet decision of August 6th was clear. They came back to me early last week and once I received them, I had a meeting with Mr. Handley and we agreed on a course of action. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 342-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.
Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier. We have heard a lot of directives being passed on, Cabinet decisions being given to different people so, Mr. Speaker, for ourselves as Members of this House, I believe it is now in the public domain. I would like to ask the Premier, can we receive a copy of the Cabinet directive which was given to Gord Stewart, president of the Power Corporation, so that we can see exactly what the context of that directive is, since it is already a public document which has been given or found its way outside of Cabinet?
Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Power Corporation, Mr. Handley. My apologies, I misdirected that. It should have gone to the Premier.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is not our practice to share Cabinet decisions with the public. The Member should be comforted with the fact that we have said politically that Cabinet was clear about the decision they made. We revisited the decision two weeks ago. I went beyond that by asking the staff and the Department of Justice if the political understanding that we had as Ministers of our decision of August was clear. The response was that the decision and the direction was clear.
The chairman of the Power Corporation, I believe, says that it was not clear and that created difficulty. I believe that if it had been addressed, that could have avoided the filing of an application for a single-rate zone and the resignation of the entire board of the Power Corporation. These things have happened. The problem was that the direction and the decision of Cabinet was not conveyed as thoroughly as it could have been and as it should have been, and for that we each have responsibility. It was unfortunate, but this is what happened. As the Premier, for my part in it, I take responsibility. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it does not look like it is too clear here exactly who is responsible for giving direction to the Power Corporation. Is it the Executive Council or is it the Minister responsible? I think from what we are hearing on both ends, it seems like you are tripping over each other's feet here. I would like to ask the Premier, is there a possibility of getting a chronology of events that have taken place, where directives have been given to the Power Corporation to carry out a directive of Cabinet?
Supplementary To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Member is asking for us to prepare a document that would show a chronology of events surrounding this issue. I think we can prepare such a document. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for that. I think it will help to hopefully try to clear the air here. I would like to ask the Premier, can we receive it within a quick time frame, knowing that we will be sitting for at least three weeks? Could we get it before the prorogue of this House?
Supplementary To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister responsible for the Power Corporation and I believe we can have a document for the Members hopefully sometime early or mid-next week. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just on that, I would like to also ask the Premier if he can also give us something to spell out the process that is used in regard to directing the Power Corporation to carry out the wishes of Cabinet.
Supplementary To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 343-14(5): Request For Cabinet Directive To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, we can describe how the Cabinet, through its Minister, provides direction and directives to the Power Corporation. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.
Question 344-14(5): Minister's Personal Views On Cabinet Policy
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just going back to the questions I had asked previously in follow-up to some of the other questions that have been asked subsequently, my questions are for the Premier. Mr. Handley indicated that he had a clear understanding of Cabinet's direction on August the 6th. I think we have established that. Subsequent to that, he met with Regular Members in the presence of the chairman, the president of the Power Corporation, and his deputy minister, and allowed them to tell us that they were going ahead with something that we had not been consulted on, which he knew, now he says he understood clearly it was in contravention of Cabinet direction. Subsequently, he also spoke numerous times in the media about his feelings about the single-rate zone. He has indicated in the House today that those were his personal views. The Premier has said that he takes very seriously his responsibility for the statements and the conduct of his Ministers. I would like to ask the Premier today, what is he prepared to do about Mr. Handley's expounding on his personal view of the single-rate zone in contravention and at odds with Cabinet's position, and I think thoroughly confusing the board of directors at the Power Corporation? What is the Premier prepared to do about it? Thank you.