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Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I addressed that question yesterday. I was there for the initialling. Cabinet had supported our negotiators to be present to initial that agreement. The federal government also went ahead with the initialling. I was asked at the last minute if I wanted to be involved in it by the federal negotiator, to witness his initialling. Discussing it with the Minister, Mr. Antoine, we indicated that no, it would not be the thing to do to involve myself in it since the Minister was not involved in any of the ceremony itself.

I passed that on, I thought, to the federal negotiator, but he apparently did not indicate that. At the signing ceremony, which was completely packed with all the Tlicho beneficiaries as well as visitors, we were seated there and when the federal negotiator was going to initial, he asked me to come up publicly to do him the honour of witnessing his initials. Rather than create a scene, as I said yesterday, I decided to indicate that our government was in support of the initialling and that I had no difficulties in being a witness. It was not something I asked to do, but it was done at the last minute.

I did not want to indicate to the Tlicho people, the negotiators or their leaders that this government was in any way indicating lack of support for the initialling because Cabinet had made that decision. This was the issue at the time. Minister Antoine and myself had both met with the Akaitcho leaders and had indicated that we believed their concerns and their issues must be addressed. We expect that the parties, with the assistance of the federal government, will see some process initiated. I think they are meeting today as we speak. We expect that these issues will be addressed appropriately by the parties concerned. Thank you.

Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if the Premier answered my question -- if he signed and witnessed as the Premier or as Stephen Kakfwi. I know that there have been discussions, but there is no guarantee that those discussions are going to come to acceptable results. There have been attempts at past meetings, and those attempts never came to fruition. I would like to ask, did he witness as an individual or as the Premier? A yes or no answer would be nice, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If you look at the document, it simply says "witness", so there was no capacity for me to sign anything as the Premier. I was asked to come forward as a private citizen. I witnessed it. I was there. I witnessed the initialling. This government is on record as being in support of the initialling, so I did not see any difficulty. The witness box that I signed did not indicate that I was signing as the Premier, so only my signature is there. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if that is an indication of the Premier's position as an individual in support of the Dogrib, never mind the concerns of other people. I would like to ask the Premier how he got up to Wha Ti. He must have flown. Was it a charter or schedule?

Supplementary To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Cabinet met and indicated support for our negotiators to go ahead with the initialling of that agreement. I attended as invited. Half the summer I was on a plane, so I cannot tell you off-hand, but I believe I shared a charter with other staff that traveled to Wha Ti on that day. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Final supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Premier for his answer. Mr. Speaker, it gives me grave concern when the Premier of a territory or a province can just take off his Premier's hat and go as individual Joe Blow and witness such an agreement, especially when the people that he represents depend on him to be impartial. What does it look like to me and my constituents when I see our Premier witnessing a Dogrib agreement that my people and I are opposed to because of the boundary issue?

The question I have for the Premier is, by doing so, by taking off his Premier's hat and doing it as an individual and using government funds to get to that location and back, would that not be considered a conflict, Mr. Speaker?

Supplementary To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government supports the conclusion and the work on all issues regarding aboriginal rights of people. It also stands on its record of defending and making sure that the rights of other people, aboriginal and non-aboriginal, are not infringed upon in the course of completing these agreements. There should be nothing read into the fact that I attended. I was invited. I attended that. This was supported by a Cabinet decision that we would go there to initial and support the Tlicho Agreement to be initialled. It went public. The Akaitcho people now have copies. The public has copies. We expect them to critique it as they have and to try to find a process to engage in that would see their issues and concerns with this particular agreement addressed. They have some time to do that.

They are also in the courts trying to resolve it. It is their choice on how they choose to address these issues. We believe there have been precedents in many, many cases. There are other groups who have taken the same position and found a way to sit down and resolve these issues. I believe it is possible. Unfortunately, it is not going to be resolved in this room. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
Question 336-14(5): Tlicho Land Claim Agreement-in-principle
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. I think in all of this confusion about the directive and whether there was clarity or not, my main concern is that in my opinion, a very good board is now no longer doing the good work of the Northwest Territories people.

I would like to ask the Minister how the internal Cabinet directive was transmitted to the Power Corporation. The Premier has indicated that it was conveyed in some form. I would like some clarity about how the internal directive was transmitted to the Power Corporation, the August 6th directive.

Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Return To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The chairman of the Power Corporation receives a copy of any record of decision from Cabinet that implies directly, or in part, or in whole, to the Power Corporation, so he would have received a copy of the record of decision, probably by mail, I am not sure. Thank you.

Return To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you. So the chairman of the Power Corporation receives this directive because it is either directly related or indirectly related. Is this standard protocol for chairman of any boards, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if it applies to every board, but it has been standard practice with the Power Corporation board. As I say, it is not where it is indirect, but where it is direct, in whole or in part; the record of decision is directly related to the Power Corporation board's mandate. They receive a copy of the record of decision. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess, given that we know the Premier and Cabinet had to get a legal interpretation of this directive, and we know, I think from media reports, that the Power Corporation had to get a legal interpretation of this directive, I am wondering if anybody is amazed that there might have been some confusion if we needed lawyers to sort this out. Is the Minister surprised that the Power Corporation either did not get the gist of the directive, or misinterpreted the gist of the directive? Is he surprised by the confusion?

Supplementary To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Question 337-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, no, I am not surprised, because the wording, as I said, was generally that there would not be further consultation on the elements of the Robertson report. The chairman did not take that to mean that was direction for him to cease the application he was preparing. Thank you.