Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under registries and court services we have here a couple of figures that reflect on forced growth -- expenditures for territorial court judges pensions, $335,000. Can we get some detail on that?
Debates of Oct. 24th, 2002
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the $335,000 is made up of their pension plan. There was a shortfall in the fund. That is $90,122, and a supplemental plan of $245,498.
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister stated that there was a shortfall in the supplemental plan. Does this cover all judges in the Northwest Territories? How many judges does it cover and why would they be in a shortfall position?
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, it covers the three territorial court judges. The reason there was a shortfall would be that the actuarial values of the fund changed.
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, along with this there was $163,000 to provide funding for forced growth expenditures for territorial court judges' salaries, which represents 1997-1998 to 2002-2003 that the department had not previously funded for. Why would it come forward in such a manner? It is 1997-1998 to this fiscal year? Why did it not come back in previous supplementaries for previous years like we have just done for I believe it was Bill 25, dealing with previous years' expenditures?
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The simple answer is that in the previous years the department was able to find funding for the increases from within its existing appropriation. This year they are tighter in their funding and were not able to find it internally.
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the document we have it says that the forced growth represents increases from 1997-1998 to the present basically. Are we, in fact, paying for -- Mr. Voytilla has just stated that the department was able to fund it from within for the previous years but this year cannot, so why are we not just addressing this fiscal year? Why are we addressing previous years as well?
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In previous years the department did not seek or receive a base adjustment to their funding level, so this under-funding accumulated over a number of years. We are dealing with this in next year's budget so that they will have the ongoing base funding required. But for this year, because it is not in their Main Estimates, they need the full adjustment.
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So the amount represented here, $163,000, is an increase that represents this fiscal year for those three judges?
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No, this is the accumulated increase for the three judges since 1997-1998, and it represents the cumulative change in their salary since then, which is about a 44 percent increase.
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is that 44 percent increase since 1997-1998? Thank you.
Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion 35-14(5): To Delete $800,000 From Special Warrant, Regional Operations, Maca In Bill 26, Ruled Out Of Order
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Voytilla
That is correct, Mr. Chairman.