Thank you, Mr. Bell. To the point of order. Mr. Krutko.
Debates of March 11th, 2002
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Mr. Chairman, as far as providing information that I think may be helpful in your deliberation to come up with this decision, it seems that the Member raising the issue that I am raising a point of order on is implying or trying to say that the Minister could not have been the only one, or the Minister might have had any part in making this information public. The point that I was making is that - and I have stated in there that I am not saying that the Minister did any wrong-doing or anything like that - but it is the Minister who put this into the supplementary appropriation, and the headline on Friday said $500,000 for the pay out. That came from a public document which is supp 3.
If it is true, as he has been saying, that he knows his obligations under this contract and that he was not to do anything that would reveal it, for him to have put it into a supplementary appropriation is a ground for questioning his conduct. Secondly, he made the information available to the committee knowing that he was under a confidentiality situation. I do not understand why these Members feel that they have to correct what I said about the Minister.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee. That is going a little bit beyond the point of order. The chair has listened to the comments and debate on the point of order. We will look at the evidence and rule on that point of order. Mrs. Groenewegen.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The question I had asked was that Ms. Snider had referred to a negotiation which took place between herself and the chief of staff, and I wanted to know if that was a face-to-face meeting. Thank you.
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Snider
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As a matter of fact, it was many face-to-face meetings.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At any time was there anyone else in attendance for those meetings?
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Snider
I think we are starting to get into details, but the individual's lawyer was in attendance at one, maybe two, of the meetings but did not participate. It was still between the individual and myself.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
So the question that Mr. Bell had asked and I did not understand the answer was, was there any contemplation in those discussions given to an amount which exceeded what was eventually settled on?
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Snider
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think we are getting into the details of the negotiations and with any negotiation there are all sorts of suggestions and discussions that go on. I guess the important point is the recommendation that I made and the fact that I made it on the basis of, as I say, the facts and circumstances that I saw before me.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask if Ms. Snider had any concerns about the fact that we have heard that the contract provided for a certain amount of settlement based on the years of service and that the ultimate settlement, in fact, exceeded that? If she had any concerns about that discretionary component of the settlement?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, we cannot respond to that. We have not provided any of that information to this House. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Mr. Chairman, I am sorry, I apologize, I will have to go back and check Hansard. Unfortunately we do not have the benefit of that in front of us, but I thought that we had established here in this supplementary appropriation review that there was a portion of compensation paid to address the risk of legal liability. Thank you.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, we did not speak specifically to these contracts. We talked about generally what is taken into consideration and the sort of circumstance. Thank you.
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