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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think when the Premier says there is an improvement, well, because of all the other scenarios and issues that are out there, we have different aboriginal governments in different areas of the North dealing with land claims and self-government. There are pipeline discussions and diamond mines opening up.

I think that as a government, we have to ensure we leave our options open when it comes to trying to find a suitable solution to some of our problems. Every region is different. They have their own aspirations, they have their own means of trying to meet their goals. We are only one party at the table, especially where the federal government seems to be driving a lot of these initiatives.

As a government, we have to ensure that the residents of the Northwest Territories have alternatives, that we do not find ourselves sticking to one position, realizing there are other options or alternatives out there.

In light of what has happened with the pipeline discussions, I think we do have a couple of options that have been thrown around. We heard it through the news media and public announcements and statements. I think it is great that the private sector makes these announcements. We should encourage more developments to take place and more groups, institutions and organizations to throw their options around so people can say, "Maybe there are alternatives. Maybe we have not thought about something."

I do not think we should limit ourselves to sticking to one particular strategy or scenario. We have to work closer to the aboriginal governments, industry and the communities. At the end of the day, we do not hear much from the communities. They are the ones that are going to be living with the social and economic impacts development is going to incur.

It is going to change the North as we know it. For some people, that change is a concern because of the uncertainty that comes with change. We have to acknowledge that we have a responsibility to ensure there is a balance, like you mentioned in your statement. A balance between what happens with the environment and development, and also what happens with our society, people, cultural groups, that people can take on this change without seeing any adverse impacts or effects on the way we live our lives. People want to continue to live their lives without seeing any major changes to it.

As a government, we have to be more open to that. We cannot limit ourselves from alternatives, options or issues. We have to allow the public to direct us on those initiatives. We should not be picking one position and sticking to it. We have to be flexible in what our decisions are.

I would like to ask the Premier, where do communities and institutions outside of the Intergovernmental Forum fit into the picture of government initiatives and strategies outlined in Towards a Better Tomorrow?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Premier.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our government has taken the view that in order to accomplish the fundamental goals we set out for ourselves, we need to partner with aboriginal governments and non-government organizations. With aboriginal governments, partnering to address and conclude discussions on devolution and revenue sharing. We have also said we need a social agenda, and there we have begun a partnership with non-government organizations and again, aboriginal leaders, to work in partnership towards developing a framework for our social agenda.

More than just verbal commitments, we have actually engaged in reaching out and taking on partnerships to work together on reaching some of our goals we have set out. I think it is a good start. It is one that can serve this government beyond the term of this Legislature.

If we set it up right, I think the approach we take with the aboriginal governments in developing a mandate and an approach to negotiating revenue sharing and devolution can continue without any major hiccups beyond the life of this Legislature. That is what we would like to try to do.

The Social Agenda Framework will be delivered by the non-government organizations next month for us to look at. It will be up to us to discuss that, probably in June, and take some concrete measures to address it through our business planning cycle.

I think we are working in the right direction and showing that we are more then just prepared to talk partnerships or prepared to take action. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in the area of Cabinet Secretariat, the committee was also concerned about the placement of initiatives under the Executive Offices. We were informed that two other Ministers would be looking at the area of energy initiatives, looking at a possible reorganization and incorporating all the energy initiatives under one roof. We have not seen that come forward as of yet.

My question is, if that in fact were to occur, reorganization of these initiatives under one roof, what would that do to the funding? Would a certain amount of the funding go with that to another area?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Premier.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is probably what would happen if we decide, for instance, the Energy Secretariat was more properly housed in a new ministry or if it should go to an existing department, such as Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, then we would arrange for the transfer of the resources. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Premier inform us as to the time lines that would be involved with this?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Premier.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In December, the Caucus met in Hay River. It was very clear from the comments there that the overriding concern and priority Members of this Legislature were focusing on was the environment. It was not energy. It was the environment. Following that, as Ministers, we had a discussion about it. It was clear that what we need to show the public and this Legislature was that the environment was the priority issue to address in how we reorganize and organize ourselves in this government.

Following that, we asked Minister Jim Antoine to also come up with suggestions on how we can profile more of the responsibility for the environment or the importance of environment within this government.

It is my expectation that following this session, Cabinet will have suggestions made from Minister Handley and Minister Antoine. We will find a day or so to have a workshop and look at the suggestions from these two and make some decision on how to proceed from there.

So some time in April we will hopefully have that discussion. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As these plans progress, will there be involvement of all Members of the Assembly?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Premier.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, Cabinet is planning a workshop some time in April to basically decide the main area we will work on during the remaining time in our mandate. This particular area is one we are going to address.

If it is the wish of Members of the Legislature that we should bring it to a meeting of Caucus before we finalize our plans, I am sure Cabinet will be prepared to entertain that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I was looking for a commitment following up on both Ministers, when appearing before the committee, also stated they would be bringing forward those papers through the committee process.

Another area I would like to get some information on is under Cabinet Secretariat policy. A number of policies under the Executive Offices are formulated. I would like to know if there have been any changes to the ministerial policies paper. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Premier.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

I am not certain of that. If there is a Caucus meeting planned for some time between now and June, then it would be possible to bring our ideas on how to reorganize to Caucus.

As far as I know, there are not any specific dates that are being suggested for a Caucus meeting like we had in Hay River. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The other part of the question I had was in the area of the Cabinet or ministerial procedures policy. Have there been any changes in that document?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Premier.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

I am not aware of it. If changes were made, I am not aware of it. We can ask and inform the Member if any changes where made. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would be interested in seeing that. There was some discussion in the past in that area. It would be nice to know if there have been any further changes.

Again, for process, with possible developments under reorganization of the Executive or under the Energy Secretariat, or all the energy initiatives, when the mandate was given to the two Ministers to review that, was there a time line again that they were to report back?