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Committee Motion 14-14(5): To Amend Clause 33 Of Bill 7 By Adding New Wording After Proposed Subsection 5.3 (carried)
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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. I would like to call on the standing committee reviewing the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs. Mr. Nitah.

Committee Motion 14-14(5): To Amend Clause 33 Of Bill 7 By Adding New Wording After Proposed Subsection 5.3 (carried)
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development has reviewed the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs annual budget. The Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs is one of three separate and distinct programs operated within the Department of Executive. The ministry coordinates the government's participation in lands, resources and self-government negotiations and coordinating the implementation of final agreements on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

The Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development met on January 23, 2002, with Minister Antoine and his staff to review the ministry's 2002-2003 draft main estimates.

The Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs projected a $2,148,000 increase in its operation expenditures. This increase is due in part to the $1,000,000 funding for National Aboriginal Day celebrations and the Living History Project. The remaining $1,148,000 increase is due to the transfer of the Intergovernmental Forum from the Department of the Executive to the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs.

Implementation of Settled Land Claim Agreements

Mr. Chairman, the committee is concerned about the implementation process for settled land claims in the Northwest Territories. The committee is concerned that GNWT departments may or may not be properly adhering to the responsibilities and guidelines established by the settled land claim agreements. The committee is also concerned that there does not appear to be a watchdog element for the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs to ensure that other departments follow the guidelines.

The Minister stated that if they become aware of a problem that they will address it with the other department. The committee would like to see the ministry with a clear responsibility in this area.

The committee feels that there is a need for a government-wide policy and a consistent interpretation of that policy across all government departments -- very important, Mr. Chairman.

The committee also pointed out that there were a number of areas, including wildlife and forestry management, where the GNWT has an obligation to pass legislation in order to fully implement settled land claim agreements in the Northwest Territories.

The committee suggested that there be a point of contact for communities and organizations seeking assistance with specific land claims agreements and implementation plans. The department agreed that was an excellent suggestion and promised to look into it, and we are thankful for that.

national Aboriginal Day And The Living History Project
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mr. Chairman, as stated previously under general comments, members of the committee noted that $1,000,000 had been allocated for National Aboriginal Day celebrations, which included the Living History Project.

After further questioning, it was learned that the Living History Project had not been separately identified. Members requested a full breakdown of both projects and that the projects be separated in order to fully identify individual funding. The department agreed to this suggestion.

Members also noted a lack of documentation explaining the plans of the society and its funding requirements. The committee raised concerns that the Living History Project appears to have been given special funding preference compared to other non-profit groups. Members also pointed out that funding for cultural groups usually comes through the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Finally, the committee was also concerned with the amount of money allocated for this new initiative when other more vital programs could use money as well. The Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development referred this item to the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight for review. I guess we felt that it had government-wide ramifications.

intergovernmental Forum (igf)
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mr. Chairman, the committee noted the recent move of the Intergovernmental Forum to the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs from the Department of the Executive. While the committee recognized that the placement of the IGF fits well into the mandate of Aboriginal Affairs, it was concerned to see that the IGF was not accounted for in the ministry's accounting structure or activity descriptions. The ministry responded that due to the shuffle late in the year that they were unable to alter their main estimates. The ministry stated that changes would be made before the main estimates went to the House for consideration.

federal Cost-sharing Funding Arrangements
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March 7th, 2002

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

The committee remains confused about the placement of dollars for the IGF. The committee noted that while federal funding was not yet confirmed for the continuation of the IGF, that the ministry had still placed dollars within their budget for that purpose. However, when the committee asked why there were no ministry dollars set aside for the new Economic Development Advisory Forum under the IGF, the committee was told that it was because the ministry had not yet received confirmation of funding from the federal government. This was also the case for the capacity building aspect of the IGF. The committee would like to see a more standardized reporting of funds that rely on cost sharing with the federal government.

funding For Negotiations
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Finally, Mr. Chairman, it was raised by the committee that aboriginal groups may not have enough funding to adequately participate in self-government negotiations. Current funding arrangements lie with the federal government. Funds are offered as a loan against the final settlement after completion of settled land claim agreements. A number of communities are against this method of funding but do not have an alternative. In response, the ministry stated that negotiations are a federal responsibility and that the ministry works with the federal government to encourage them to work with aboriginal groups. The ministry suggested that it does work directly with aboriginal groups if groups approach them for help.

That is the report of the committee, and I thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Would the Minister like to bring in witnesses?

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Sergeant-at-Arms, escort the witnesses in please. Minister Antoine, would you please introduce your witnesses for the record?

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, to my left is Mr. Richard Bargery, deputy minister for the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs. To my right is Ms. Veronica Puskas, manager of planning and analysis for the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. General comments? Detail? Page 2-59, Aboriginal Affairs, operations expense, total operation expense, $7,032,000. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think this is the place where I am going to make a motion on the Living History Project.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Go ahead with your motion.

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Chairman,

I MOVE that $250,000 identified for the Living History Project be deleted from the Aboriginal Affairs activity summary and the total operations expense in the 2002-2003 main estimates. Thank you.

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Dent.

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am quite pleased that the government and the Minister have chosen to respond to the committee recommendation in this way. One question for the Minister before we vote on this.

I noted in his opening comments, he mentioned that the government would likely return with a request for supplementary funding. I was wondering if the government was also going to keep in mind the committee request to ensure that is brought forward through the Department of Education, Culture and Employment?

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Antoine.

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, once this is deleted, and if the project moves forward, I will pass it by Cabinet. I think it is a Cabinet decision to decide where it is going to go. I will approach it that way. I cannot commit to the Member here whether it is going to go to Education, Culture and Employment, but I will certainly pass that message along. Thank you.

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Nitah, did you have a question?

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to go back to page 2-28.

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

There is a motion on the floor, Mr. Nitah. To the motion. Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 15-14(5): To Delete $250,000 From Aboriginal Affairs Activity Summary (carried)
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you. To the motion, I will be speaking in favour of the motion. I did want to say for the record, Mr. Chairman, I was an early and avid supporter of the objectives and the concepts that this society is working on. I continue to be so.

The situation we are here with, deleting a proposed appropriation, is not a signal from me that I am opposing the work of this society. I still support it. I do look forward to the society bringing plans forward and in such a way that we can find ways that this government can participate, that we can get value out of this and we can see this very worthwhile project continue. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. To the motion. Question has been called. The Chair does not recognize a quorum. Ring the bells.

-- Ringing of Bells