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Committee Motion 10-14(5): Funding And Program Delivery For Youth Programs (carried)
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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Regional operations, total regional operations, $4,718,000. Mr. Krutko.

Committee Motion 10-14(5): Funding And Program Delivery For Youth Programs (carried)
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we have had a lot of concerns and debate in regard to how communities are being served, especially when you look at the community infrastructure. One of the main means of transportation and movement of goods and services, and also the concern of public safety, was the area of roads and infrastructure in our communities. I think that as a government, we have to do something to ensure we improve the infrastructure in our communities by way of a project or what not.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to move a motion.

Committee Motion 10-14(5): Funding And Program Delivery For Youth Programs (carried)
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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Do you have a motion, Mr. Krutko?

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

March 7th, 2002

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman,

I MOVE that this committee recommends that the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs develop, in cooperation with the Minister of Transportation, a program to pave the main streets within non-tax-based municipalities with a population greater than 500 residents located on the Northwest Territories highway systems.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

We have a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Roland.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The question I would have in this area of non-tax-based municipalities with a population greater than 500 residents located on Northwest Territories highway systems, municipalities such as Inuvik, where there are paved roads funded mainly by taxpayers, I am wondering what the process would be in something like this. Thank you.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. To the motion. Mr. Krutko.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Just in response to the Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, this project, in my eyes, is doable. I think we have two departments who have the expertise in-house to deal with it. I think the communities are not saying they will not contribute. I think the communities can contribute by way of gravel or support from the community, either through hamlet equipment or labour or what not.

This is a project that, as far as I can see, is long overdue. I am talking about communities that are on our present highway systems. I do not think there are too many of those communities who have a population over 500. I think we are talking about communities like Fort Resolution, maybe Fort Providence, Fort McPherson, Rae-Edzo.

For us doing this, I think it sets an example to the Northwest Territories and to our tourists who come into our communities that we do have something to offer. If someone is on their way to Inuvik, that we have decent streets and they do not go back south and say "Do not drive up the Dempster Highway because there is nothing but mud and potholes and you will be eating dust all the time."

I think that we have to improve our communities in some manner. I think this project is doable in the context that we have the Department of Transportation that presently has the people in place to deal with paving and maintaining highways and roads. They do have equipment. We have the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs who have a responsibility and they have experience within the larger centres.

In my view, we have tried a compromise in this resolution by allowing the other communities to realize we are not talking every community in the Northwest Territories. We are talking about the larger communities in the context of a population over 500 and also, you have to be connected to the highway system in the Northwest Territories. So because of that, I think this is doable.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. To the motion. Mr. Lafferty.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I would like to elaborate on what Mr. Krutko was saying. Even communities like Lutselk'e can get equipment in during the summer on a barge, a paver to get the dust under control. Also, after talking with the Department of Transportation, I am told that they will no longer be using calcium for dust control because it is a hazardous material and it cannot be used anymore. So we will have no alternative but to pave all the roads in all the communities.

Just a good example of what a tax-based community gets and what the small communities do not get, if you look at Yellowknife alone, you have 10 kilometres of six-inch asphalt that is funded totally by the Department of Transportation. You do not have that in the smaller communities. In Hay River, you have three or four kilometres of road that are six-inch asphalt. You also have that in Inuvik. Fort Simpson just recently got theirs. The funding formula is not used when they fund asphalt or dust control, but they do give it and other perks.

In order to be fair, if we were to take that asphalt and set it out to a three-quarter inch layer, we could pave all the small communities to the quality here, but because of the environmental hazard that calcium chloride is doing, I think it is only fair that they pave all the streets. Just give us a little chip seal. We will maintain it.

If MACA wants Transportation to do it, like they do it for Yellowknife and the larger communities, maybe that is what MACA has to do. They have to go to them, because they already are...it is freebies for these large communities. Thank you.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. To the motion. Mr. Nitah.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am speaking in favour of this motion. Mr. Chairman, what this motion speaks to is that Municipal and Community Affairs and the Department of Transportation develop a partnership to start a program, Mr. Chairman, to start a program to look at paving streets on the highway system. This is not stating they have to do it. This is a program to see the viability of it.

Mr. Chairman, you know, as a government we provide programs and services. Unfortunately, most of these programs and services are not something that everybody in the community benefits from. The road infrastructure, the paving of the streets and sidewalks is something that the whole community can benefit from. It does not matter the age or level of activity of individuals. They can benefit from this.

This is a very good motion. I think it speaks to this government's commitment to the communities, to the viability of those communities. I think it will go a long way, optically, for those communities. Spiritually, physically and mentally it will be beneficial to the people of those communities. Tourism would benefit in those communities from just this kind of activity, Mr. Chairman.

I encourage my colleagues in the House to support this motion to develop a program to look at paving the streets, the main streets to begin with, Mr. Chairman, in our communities in the Northwest Territories. Let us show the people out there that we do care about them, that we do value them as communities and as partners. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Roland.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just feel I have to correct my colleague for North Slave. There is no pavement or maintenance done by Transportation down the main road of Inuvik. In fact, the by-pass road is still gravel. Airport road, mind you, is paved and maintained by Transportation, but that is not the main street down the community. Thank you.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

-- Applause

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

We are on cap-7, regional operations, total regional operations, $4,718,000. Mr. Krutko.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I am looking at the Deep Water Lake Project, Fort McPherson, for this year. You have $125,000, but knowing there have been some major difficulties getting this project off the ground, there have been some mechanical problems with regard to the vehicles. Also, the question of infrastructure, ensuring we have garaging and a place to store these vehicles, instead of having them parked outside when it is 40 below and seeing these vehicles freeze up.

I would like to ask the Minister exactly, is that amount realistic, considering all the situations that we are now being faced with? There are unforeseen situations that we now finally realize that because of the project being brought online in the middle of winter, now there is going to be an increased cost associated with garaging and maintenance of the vehicles. Also, there has to be some improvements regarding the wear and tear on those vehicles. Is that amount in this $125,000?

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Steen.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will defer that to Mr. Murray.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At the present time, that $125,000 is for known deficiencies. Much of the work on the vehicles the Member was mentioning has been done or is being worked on now. As well, we do not know what carryover, if any, may be left over, since they are still doing some work and using up some of the money on those repairs now. We may also be carrying over funding from the current year's $3.6 million budget.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The deputy minister mentioned that there have been carryovers. Is that carryover coming from the original estimate of the $3,363,000? Is that the carryover or is that over and above the $125,000?

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Murray.

Committee Motion 11-14(5): To Pave Main Streets Of Non-tax-based Municipalities (carried)
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Murray

The $125,000 is set aside as money for next year, irrespective of the carryover. If it is carryover funding in the current year that is not spent, then it would be on top of that.