Thank you. Point of order, Ms. Lee.
Point of Order
Debates of March 7th, 2002
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
I am sorry. I do not know the rule as well as I should, but I know that with a point of privilege, you have to raise your point of order at the earliest opportunity. I want to raise a point of order on the statement that was made by Mr. Bell.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee. On the point of order, you will have to state the rule you feel is being broken or describe the rule that is being broken.
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I raise a point of order in the rule book, section 23(i), which I think a lot of people here know about. It speaks to a Member who imputes false or hidden motives to another Member.
I read from a repeated statement by the Member for Yellowknife South that somehow, anyone here who opposes this pension is doing it for a political purpose, that we are taking a stance that is popular to the public. We are taking this stance because it is imputing motive. It is imputing why we are taking this position we are taking. That we are doing this because this is what the public wants, but really inside, in the dark side inside of our little hearts, we are really wanting this money. I have a great objection to that. This was pointed out in our debate yesterday.
I stated earlier that I respect the position taken by every Member here. I have a freedom to speak. I have every good conscience for saying and stating my position here.
I do not think it is proper. I do not think it is respecting my privilege as a Member here to impute motive that I somehow have a double standard here, that I am doing what is popular out there, but really, that I am going to take the money. I guess for some people, that is the only way to look at this.
I believe it is really infringing on my conscience and my integrity. I believe there is a point of order. I ask for a ruling on this point. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee. Ms. Lee, the Chair did not hear anything from the Member for Yellowknife South that would impute motive. However, we can go through the unedited Hansard and reserve a ruling for that at a later date. Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe Mr. Roland had a question. I was just going to follow up on his question, but he can have his question back.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had asked a question earlier. Right now, my understanding is that when information of Members and their pay and benefits is tabled, information on who is on the pension and what pension they are on is already public information. Is that not correct?
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Chairman, yes, the Member is correct. There is a requirement under the Retiring Allowances Act and the Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act that the Speaker table annually the financial statements of the supplementary plan as well as what is called the pension administration report, which outlines the financial position, and the administration of both the registered plan and the supplementary plan is required to be tabled annually with the type of information that the Member indicated.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Then I wonder, why the motion? It is already an annual practice to table that information, so it makes no sense for that. Thank you.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was going to follow up on the same point made by Mr. Roland, so I do not see a need for this motion. The practice is already in place. There is a reporting mechanism there and I think there is no need for this motion.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, in putting forward the motion, my intention certainly was not to put pressure tactics on anybody. It was just simply that the public has a right to know what our pay and benefits package is for doing this job. I am quite satisfied if this information is already made available somewhere else, I was not aware of that. The advice I was given was not that it was. So if it is already there somewhere else, I do not have a problem with withdrawing the motion. However, I want to make sure that is the case, that it is there. I would ask Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Chairman, to give some clarification on, do we get the same information on this annual report?
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Hamilton, could you clarify whether this information is already public knowledge?
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Chairman, the pension administration report that is tabled annually by the Speaker, and I happen to have a copy of the one that was tabled previously, does contain a list of the membership information, which does currently list the number of Members who are in the registered plan and how many Members are still active in the supplementary plan, and also does list the pensioners that receive pension under both the registered plan and the supplementary plan.
The only problem or issue may be is that this information is information that is provided by our actuary and then it is the Board of Management that decides the content of this information. All the act requires is that there be an annual report. The act does not say what should or should not be in that report. So what is in this report is really what the Board of Management decides what is released from this report. It is not prescribed in law that all this stuff should be in it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Then I agree that we should keep the motion rather than having some Board of Management at some future time deciding what should go in and what should not go in. I would like to keep the motion on the table. Thank you.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Handley. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
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Clause 33, as amended?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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