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Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act, being a federal legislation, does have a board, the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board. That is a board that is composed of federal appointees, territorial appointees, and aboriginal appointees. It is a board that is made up of representatives from up and down the valley. They have the very important and tough task of reviewing any development that happens down the valley. Their task is to look at the socio-economic impact.

I have met with the board. We have talked about the issues that were raised here in the House, as well as issues that I have heard from the communities themselves. The representatives on the board are true representatives of people across the valley and they are very receptive to the concerns that are raised out here. It is an independent board that does that work, and yes, we follow up and we will continue to follow up and continue working with the board, because that is their task. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to agree with the Minister. They are responsible for implementing the legislation, but we as a government are responsible to the residents of the Northwest Territories to ensure the social impacts on our communities are minimized.

What we have seen in a lot of our communities is housing shortages, the increased cost of goods and services in our communities, and the assurance that the communities will receive economic opportunities by way of jobs and employment opportunities and business opportunities. That is where your department comes in.

Have you developed a strategy regarding how your department and the Government of the Northwest Territories will ensure that we protect the interests of our small communities when development takes place?

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in terms of development, there are all kinds of different developments. Mining development is happening here in the Yellowknife area, north of Yellowknife, and also in some small areas in the Nahendeh riding. As well, oil and gas exploration is going on in the southern Nahendeh area, as well as in the Sahtu, mainly in the Delta. The whole discussion of the pipeline is also right across the Mackenzie Valley. Those are the two different types of development.

In the case of mining, there are impact benefit agreements that the mining companies have been able to negotiate with the four affected communities around them. So in terms of development, there is a mechanism in place that seems to be working fairly well.

In the oil and gas sector, in the Canadian oil and gas legislation, there is a provision in there for socio-economic arrangements that the First Nations could make with the developers. I think it is more applicable once exploration has happened and they have a significant find, and they are going to develop the gas and oil resources by putting a pipeline in. I think that is where the socio-economic agreement comes in.

Yes, I have instructed RWED, even though it is not really our mandate to do it, to look at some sort of template that the communities could use. In looking at the examples in Fort Liard as well Cameron Hills, we want to make sure there is some protection there, so we are developing a set of rules, a set of guidelines that could be applicable in these circumstances if the communities agree to use that type of arrangement and agreement. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister and his department have all of the expertise, the professions, the people with the backgrounds to deal with socio-economic benefit agreements, and also to look at the development of benefit agreements. All I am asking for is a similar process that was used with the diamond industry.

We as a government had a socio-economic development agreement signed between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the industry. Will the Minister look at establishing a similar arrangement with the oil and gas industry up and down the Mackenzie Valley, to ensure that our government starts taking advantage of those developments? Will the...

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Mr. Krutko, a question, please.

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Will the Minister look at a similar arrangement for those communities up and down the Mackenzie Valley dealing with oil and gas?

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I asked similar questions to the department when I took over. I thought it was a simple matter, but it is not. In the mining industry, they have the Mining Act, which does not include any socio-economic or impact benefit agreements. However, with this government, and working with the First Nations that are affected with the diamond mines, we are able to work with BHP to agree to a socio-economic arrangement with the First Nations that are affected. So even though it is not legislated, we are able to do that.

In the case of the oil and gas, there are provisions in the oil and gas federal legislation for a socio-economic agreement during the development phase once a significant find is made. I was told we cannot do the same exact thing we did with the mining companies with an oil and gas company.

However, we are looking at something similar, in regard to making sure there are socio-economic arrangements with oil and gas companies that operate in the North and close to an affected community. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under the existing oil and gas regulations, there is an aspect to that where it talks about benefit agreements. This government has the responsibility to ensure that those benefit agreements really benefit communities. To date, a lot of these agreements have not. All I am asking for from the Minister is to look at these benefit agreements and ensure the communities are receiving the maximum benefit possible in regard to the social impacts we are seeing in our small communities. Will he look at that?

Supplementary To Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
Question 301-14(5): Impacts Of Resource Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we are already looking at those aspects. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Question 302-14(5): Municipal Taxation And Treaty Rights
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June 17th, 2002

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board. Mr. Speaker, again, this is one area where multiple departments are responsible for municipal lands, taxation issues. This is an issue that has been ongoing for years and it is an issue that is concerning my constituents, especially those who only work seasonally. There has been direction given to communities not to pay municipal taxes until land claims are resolved. These people who are working for government are having their wages garnisheed. The government is imposing their will on people. They use aerial surveys to take photographs and determine the taxation based on that.

I would like to ask the Minister, would he commit that his department will not garnishee wages from people who are not paying municipal taxes based on their land claims until land claims and self-government arrangements and ownership of the properties are determined? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 302-14(5): Municipal Taxation And Treaty Rights
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Financial Management Board will not garnishee any wages, but the collection services for our government is through the Department of Finance. Finance will proceed with collections processes when departments refer those requests to it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

Supplementary To Question 302-14(5): Municipal Taxation And Treaty Rights
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister direct the Department of Finance not to garnishee wages from people who are still negotiating their rights in Canada based on their treaties?

Supplementary To Question 302-14(5): Municipal Taxation And Treaty Rights
Question 302-14(5): Municipal Taxation And Treaty Rights
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, no, I cannot do that. Under our legislation, we have to collect the money that is owed to the government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.