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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the negotiations that are currently going on at the different claims tables, the negotiators are all very busy. Even though Salt River First Nations have concluded their negotiations, the negotiator at that table is also helping out at other tables at the same time.

Like I said, they are all very busy. As we conclude, if we do conclude in the next year or so, for example, the Dogrib Final Agreement, if that ever gets concluded, then the negotiators would probably have to be reassigned at that time, so there are no immediate negotiators that are going to be freed up in the next little while. I do not foresee any other negotiators being moved into this area at the present time.

If, in the future, this process of the Intergovernmental Forum is still going on, then certainly the negotiators with that kind of experience could be considered to play a role there. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Regarding the Inuvialuit, who have negotiated their agreement where they have a particular section, you talk about participation agreements. Then you have the Gwich'in and the Sahtu agreements, which talk about the subsurface resources chapter of the agreement, which is chapter 21 in the Gwich'in agreement, chapter 22 in the Sahtu agreement.

In there, that is where the negotiations for the devolution of oil and gas and minerals come from. We had people already on payroll who negotiated these particular items. I am just wondering, why are we not using those same people who have had that previous experience or are still in negotiations with the Dogrib and other regions? Why are we not using those negotiators to negotiate the claims process, through the devolution to the transfer of things such as the oil and gas accord, the Northern Accord and what not?

Those sections were negotiated in these land claim agreements. I am just wondering, why are we not using those negotiators that we have at the table right now in the other areas to work with regard to this devolution process? That is where it came from. It came from the 1988 agreement that was signed between Mulroney and I think it was Dennis Patterson back then. Why are we not using those negotiators?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Chairman, that is a very interesting question, because the people who were negotiating, either for the territorial government or for the aboriginal groups, many of them have probably moved on and are doing other things. However, those in the territorial government that were involved at that time are fully engaged, if they are still working for us, at the negotiating table.

As I said, the negotiators are very busy at these tables and certainly if they get freed up sometime in the next little while and they want to participate in the Intergovernmental Forum, then we are probably going to use them. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in this area of Aboriginal Affairs and the extra request for funding, I would like to get some further detail on the $100,000 being requested for the Dene Nation for establishment of an intergovernmental relations parliamentary advisor position.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in November of last year, the Dene Nation from one of their leadership meetings submitted a proposal from one of the recommendations from their Assembly to myself as Minister of Aboriginal Affairs. They were actually requesting three positions that would provide the Dene Nation leadership with support and expertise in three critical areas. One of them was a parliamentary liaison. The other two were an education coordinator and a language and cultural coordinator. The broad purpose of these positions was to assist them in capacity development in a consistent manner to allow the Dene Nation to work in better collaboration with the Government of the Northwest Territories and other levels of government.

As you know, being in the Legislative Assembly, there is much legislation that we deal with that affects treaty people, Metis people and Inuvialuit people. As such, as much information and support as they need to be able to make informed decisions in a sensitive and positive working relationship. The overall proposed budget was a heck of a lot more than $100,000. Actually, it was about $280,000. We estimated that one-third of that would be about $100,000. The other two positions were not within the mandate of the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs.

In working this out, we decided that we will act on the request and see where it goes. This position would act as a liaison between the Dene Nation, which is not an aboriginal government but rather a territorial organization that represents the interests of the Dene people, the majority of whom are treaty.

The focus would be mainly on treaty related issues, to provide important information and insight for treaty people who belong to the many aboriginal governments in the Northwest Territories. It goes to all the communities right down the valley where there are treaty people and people who have ancestors of the signings of Treaty 8 and Treaty 11. The Dene Nation also plays an important role in informing and representing all of these people.

This position would act as liaison between the Dene Nation and the Government of the Northwest Territories. It will coordinate and assist in soliciting input from Dene members and leadership on the different policies and different issues that are affecting us here in the Legislative Assembly, how it affects the Dene Nation, its members and the issues raised from the Intergovernmental Forum. It would also be there to monitor and advise on new policies and legislation that are coming forward and assist in providing advice on the government processes for the purpose of input from the Dene Nation.

That is some background detail of the request for this funding. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Minister touched on a couple of things that I would like to get further clarification on. The explanation he gives sounds much like what was considered when the Aboriginal Summit was established back in the 13th Assembly, so that this working relationship can be better established, so that this government and all the groups involved in self-government discussions could work in a better atmosphere and have some resources to deal with some of the issues before them.

Initially, it was wrapped around the constitutional side of things. It has evolved since then more to the self-government tables and the position of this government. It almost sounds like we are going another step here for one organization.

My question, and the Minister touched on it, he mentioned the Dene, Metis and Inuvialuit. Having Inuvialuit in my jurisdiction and the community I represent, who right now are part of the Aboriginal Summit, if there are going to be other monies establishing other working groups outside of that for better coordination, would they be able to put in something that would allow them funding for taking part in further discussions and going through legislation?

I have heard on a number of occasions that even though the land claim is settled, there is a lot of concern about implementation and the timing of it, what was agreed to and what was interpreted to be agreed to and does not seem to be agreed at this point.

I would just like to know if that avenue would be available to them to put in something of this nature, and maybe a little more on how this actually is separate from what the role of the Aboriginal Summit would be when initially established. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This parliamentary liaison position would be somewhat outside the Intergovernmental Forum and the Aboriginal Summit. It should be noted that not all the aboriginal governments in the NWT opt to participate in the IGF or be a member of the Aboriginal Summit. By providing this assistance to the Dene Nation, it would provide an opportunity for the treaty people and other Dene who are not participating in the IGF process to provide input. In talking with the Dene Nation, that is their role. Again, the Dene Nation is not like an aboriginal government. I guess the loose definition of an aboriginal government is one that would have a land base or a negotiated claim of some sort. They have a land base and a future source of their own revenue to run their own institutions.

In this case, it is an organization that is there that will want to work with us as in government and with this Legislative Assembly to have an opportunity to review the different legislation that has developed here, and work in conjunction through the Dene Nation to the different chiefs and the different aboriginal governments out there.

Similarly, there is the Aboriginal Summit. I would like to say that everybody is very busy there. They have accomplished a great deal. They have many challenges as they work together in a collective, even though there is a lot of political uncertainty. There is a lack of resources, heavy workloads, different positions and competing priorities. In that whole area, the summit pulled together and a request was to have some source of funding from this government to the Dene Nation on behalf of the chiefs in trying to accommodate that request.

In response to similar funding from the other aboriginal groups, the Metis or the Inuvialuit, the only request we have to date was with the Dene Nation and none from the other. We are providing funding for the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation and to the Intergovernmental Forum in related activities through a block-funding arrangement that has been proposed by the Aboriginal Summit.

As well, we are providing funding to the IRC and the Gwich'in Tribal Council through the Beaufort-Delta Political Accord. They are receiving a similar type of funding through these kinds of agreements.

In respect to the Metis, there is actually no longer a territorial Metis organization. As a government, we are proposing to provide funding to both the South Slave Metis Tribal Council and the North Slave Metis Alliance to participate in the Intergovernmental Forum through the related activities, through the block-funding arrangement, and that has been proposed by the Aboriginal Summit. As a government, we also provide assistance for core funding to the Metis locals. There are sources of funding for both of these organizations.

I must tell you that in talking to the national chief, Bill Erasmus, on a couple of occasions in regard to his request to list sources of funding, the Dene Nation does not have any core funding from the federal government nor from our territorial government. He is operating on whatever little pockets of dollars he can get. I just wanted to say that they do not have any core funding at all from any other source. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. The Chair recognizes Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On the same topic here, if we could get a bit more information and perhaps a bit more succinctly, Mr. Chairman, from the Minister, is there some kind of protocol on the establishment of this position? We are looking for $100,000 to come in about a third of the way through the fiscal year. That is a fair amount of money for one year. Is the expectation that this is going to be an ongoing position? Do we have a multi-year funding arrangement with the Dene Nation on it? What is the long-term on this particular contribution? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

At this point, it was a request for one year.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Given that the kind of thing it is established for is ongoing, never-ending, what is the expectation here? Is this going to be something that the Dene Nation will continue to expect from us almost indefinitely? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the request is for a year. I am speculating to say that it will probably be an ongoing request. Like I said, they are an organization that is operating without core funding, so wherever they could receive pockets of funding to continue the Dene Nation organization -- they are going into their 32nd year, so I am sure that they will probably be coming back to us. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess at this point, this particular item will not get my support, Mr. Chairman. This is not a rejection of the work that the Dene Nation does or our government's commitment to assist in that. Rather, I see it as really a lack of planning. It does not have a basis of continuity, of strategic importance. I would say that I would be ready to look at it again, but in the context of a broader, more long-term and more strategic plan.

Mr. Chairman, I have a bit of time left here. I would like to continue on with a couple of questions, and this would be to either Mr. Antoine or Mr. Handley. This is about the establishment of the negotiating division for devolution.

I noticed that there are two, what seem to be almost identical kinds of contributions to the Aboriginal Summit. I support these, Mr. Chairman. I have been fortunate to have attended some of the Intergovernmental Forum political meetings, and the Aboriginal Summit has certainly made its case -- a very believable case -- that they do need assistance in terms of building capacity, coming up to speed to be able to really participate in the Intergovernmental Forum.

I wanted to get some information. What is the difference between, as is noted in detail there, the contribution to the Aboriginal Summit for devolution negotiations of $500,000 and then a separate line, to assist aboriginal governments in the Intergovernmental Forum discussions, a $400,000 contribution?

First of all, I will ask, is a contribution an accountable type of funding? Can we see from the Aboriginal Summit how and what and when that is being spent? Just what are the terms under which a contribution is given? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, I will just answer with regard to the contribution funding, and then turn to Mr. Antoine for more detail on it. The contribution funding is accountable and we will get an accounting from it. Thank you.