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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in the supplementary appropriation, it is broken down. The contribution to the Aboriginal Summit for devolution negotiations is for their negotiations itself with their negotiators and their team, and a requirement to try to keep everybody on board.

We are cost-sharing this with the federal government. In some cases, it is 50/50 shared. In the case of devolution, it is 50/50 shared with the federal government, so our share is $500,000 in regard to devolution, and DIAND's contribution is $500,000 as well.

The other figure that the Member mentioned, $400,000, would be to assist the different member organizations, I believe, to travel into their area. I understand each member organization would be going to help each member organization to participate, to offset the travel cost. They will do their own research, administration support services through the Aboriginal Summit. The member organizations are the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu, the North Slave Metis, the South Slave Metis and the Dogrib. This funding does not include an allocation for the Deh Cho, as they have decided to remain an observer and will not participate in the summit. However, the summit and both governments have committed to consider allocations to the Deh Cho if they decide to participate at a later date. The $400,000 is for these organizations. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The $400,000 and $500,000 contributions, is it anticipated that these are going to be base funding, or core funding, which will go on until such time as the mandates are completed? Are we setting up, in effect, a line item here for about a million dollars a year to assist the Aboriginal Summit? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, yes, this will become part of the core funding for as long as the tasks are underway. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Could I get a bit of a description here? The Intergovernmental Forum, as I understand it, started out with a job to come up with a framework for negotiating the devolution of resources and the sharing of control of resources among the federal, territorial and aboriginal governments. It has since expanded, I understand, and now includes some interest in the social agenda. There may be some other things there as well.

With these two different contributions here, one for $500,000 for devolution negotiations and the other for $400,000 for the Intergovernmental Forum, what is the difference there? It is my perception that the Intergovernmental Forum and devolution negotiations are indeed one and the same. Why are they differentiated? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, like I said earlier, the Aboriginal Summit is going to have their own devolution negotiating team, their chief negotiator and their staff. That would include their administration to do the work and the support from the summit, whereas the aboriginal assistance to the aboriginal governments' participation, the $400,000, each member organization is going to get a share of the $400,000 to do the work in their own regions. There are seven different groups here that are distinct from each other, so it is an organization that has created for themselves to aggressively pursue devolution and the Intergovernmental Forum.

Ourselves, as the Government of the Northwest Territories, and the feds have agreed to cost share. I have a letter from the federal Minister, Robert Nault, indicating that he is willing to participate in this funding arrangement. We agreed to fund our share of it.

I hope I explained to the Member his question of what is the difference between why there is $500,000 in contributions to the Aboriginal Summit for devolution negotiations. That is for their own team to get ready. As for the $400,000, it is going to be shared among the different seven aboriginal governments that are members of the Aboriginal Summit. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I have a question regarding the cost. I support the dollars that are in here, but my concern is, what about those groups that are not involved in this process? You mentioned the South Slave Metis Alliance, the North Slave Metis Alliance. However, there is also the Mackenzie Valley Metis Federation, which presently does not receive core funding from this government.

I would like to ask, where are those groups that are out there that are not funded through this process? Are those groups going to have the opportunity to apply or put forth an application to your department to see if they can also receive funding to take place? The Northern Accord process has to include as many groups as possible, but I think what we do not want to see is we find out that they are negotiating with a handful of people but forgetting some groups who are sort of observers, sitting on the sidelines. At the end of the day, say one of them decides to file an injunction or a court action against the devolution or transfer of oil and gas revenues to the Government of the Northwest Territories. They have every legal leg to stand on.

I would like to ask the Minister, what happens to those groups that have not had the opportunity similar to that of the Dene Nation? Will the Mackenzie Valley Metis Federation have an opportunity to submit a similar proposal?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Mackenzie Valley Metis Federation has not indicated at any time whether they are going to be seeking any funding. We do provide core funding to the Metis locals, which we do with the members of the South Slave Metis, as well as the North Slave Metis Alliance. They are members who are locals. We fund them. We core fund every Metis local. They are all the same. We core fund the Metis locals.

As for the North Slave Metis Alliance, they organized themselves here in the North Slave to be an entity. As well, the South Slave Metis are recognized and have worked out with the Akaitcho that they are separate, whereas the Mackenzie Valley Metis Federation are still getting themselves organized. I do not know where their focus is going to be. In the Deh Cho, which I am familiar with, the Metis and the Dene are together in the Akaitcho First Nations organizations. They are pursuing the Deh Cho process together. They are there together.

In the Sahtu, the Dene and Metis have settled their land claims together, so they have a land base and so forth there. The Deline is negotiating their self-government on their own. Up in the Mackenzie Delta, the Dene, the Gwich'in and the Metis have together settled their land claims, and together they are working out a self-government arrangement. I do not even know if they will organize similar to the North Slave Metis Alliance or the South Slave Metis Tribal Council, so it is difficult for me to answer. I will have to wait until they get themselves organized and evolved. If they do form, how they are going to form and why, and if they are going to be pursuing any funding. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister answer the question regarding whether or not the Mackenzie Valley Metis Federation can submit an application to your department to receive funding similar to the Dene Nation?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

They can if they want. We will review their application, similar to the Dene Nation request. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

You said they can submit an application. I want to know if they will be getting core funding on a similar basis as the Dene Nation. You said the Dene Nation does not get core funding from the Government of the Northwest Territories. That is the same as the Metis Federation.

At one time, we had the Metis Nation of the Northwest Territories, which received core funding from the Government of the Northwest Territories to fund the locals and to basically be involved in the political devolution process in the Northwest Territories. Those people have not died and disappeared. Those people are still in our communities. I think sooner or later they are going to come out of their shell. I think they should come out sooner than later.

My view is that the Metis have a fundamental right in the Territories. Treaties were signed. People in the Northwest Territories, especially Metis people, signed and they received what they called script payments as part of the treaty payment process where they were entitled to land and other things along with it. My grandmother got script through that process. I would like to know.

It seems like there is a segment of our population that is not really represented in this whole process, yet they are a key political body to be reckoned with.

When you talk about the Sahtu Metis, they have lands. They have an area of jurisdiction. They have control over geographic areas. They have...

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Excuse me, Mr. Krutko, we are getting a little bit beyond the scope of this bill here dealing with these funds. I would ask you to stick to the topic on this page. Thank you, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I do not believe I am outside the scope. I believe I am talking about funding to a political organization. If you are funding organizations, as a government, you should be fair to all organizations, not just to pick and choose who you want to be at the table. I feel there has to be an allowance for those organizations such as the Deh Cho and those other groups to have an opportunity to opt into this process, rather than strictly saying, "Because you are not at the table you cannot take part."

I would like to know, similar to the $100,000 that was allocated to the Dene Nation, using the argument that they do not receive core funding from the government and they are receiving interim funding to partake in this process, will that funding be made available to the Mackenzie Valley Metis Federation?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I did answer the honourable Member's last question, which is the same question. I did say that if they decide to put in a proposal, then we would consider it, similar to the Dene Nation.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Dent.