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Further Return To Question 316-14(5): Repatriation Of Northerners In Southern Institutions
Question 316-14(5): Repatriation Of Northerners In Southern Institutions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

June 18th, 2002

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Mr. Speaker, earlier this week, the Minister made an important speech to the World Diamond Congress. I know he shared copies of his speaking notes with Members. I think he set out the story in the Northwest Territories fairly well, in making the argument that we are working towards providing the infrastructure necessary to have a strong diamond industry in the North.

I wonder if the Minister could, for the record in this House, outline what he sees as the important next steps in setting this industry up and making it viable in the Northwest Territories?

Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the diamond industry in the Northwest Territories is fairly new, less than four years. We have three manufacturing companies and there is interest on how they evolve. There are partners that are going to be buying into the existing manufacturers. We are working on these as we speak. The interest that they have in the current way rough diamonds are acquired is one area we need to concentrate on with the producing mine.

I think there is openness on the part of the diamond mines to work to try and achieve this at this point in time. There is considerable interest at the national level. We have been talking with our Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew, in regard to our concern about the definition of diamonds through the Competition Bureau. We need to do some work at that level.

With the interest and the possibility of diamond mines in Ontario and Quebec, Canada is going to be a major diamond producer in the future. With this developing on all these fronts, we need to work with the federal government to try to come up with a national diamond approach. I think there is work being done. I understand that DIAND had commissioned a diamond expert to come up with an approach on what steps to take.

At the same time, we here in the Northwest Territories have been working towards a Northwest Territories Diamond Manufacturers Licensing Act. I think this is something that we have to do. We have to do consultation on a discussion paper and the next step for RWED would be to proceed towards a legislative proposal to see if there is support from my colleagues in Cabinet. We will then take it forward and share it with the Members. Thank you.

Return To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Dent.

Supplementary To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister talked about the supply of rough diamonds, skilled labour, attracting investment and assistance in setting up viable businesses while looking for equity participation. He also talked about a legislative framework and Competition Bureau guidelines.

Mr. Speaker, these are businesses that are coming here. They need to see profits to make them work. The one thing I think is missing from the Minister's comments was something to do with the 10 percent excise tax. We have to do something to provide more margin for these companies if we want them to be sustainable. Will the Minister commit to work towards getting rid of that 10 percent excise tax on manufactured diamonds in Canada?

Supplementary To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, through the Department of RWED and through my predecessors, there has been a lot of work done with regard to the excise tax. We are very concerned about it and if we got our way, we would not have that 10 percent excise tax. However, the federal Minister of Finance is responsible for this, and our Finance Minister has been raising this with the federal Finance Minister. Now we have a new federal Finance Minister, so we will also have to approach Minister Manley and try to ensure that he understands where we are coming from in this area. The Jewellery Association has also been pushing this and there has been lobbying by all fronts with the federal government to try to address this whole issue.

We will continue to pursue this 10 percent excise tax because it does not make any sense when we are producing diamonds, polishing and cutting them. We are not importing them from any other place. We are developing them right here and I think we should be able to make our case heard. Hopefully, there will be federal action on that. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Dent.

Supplementary To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I met this morning with a representative from a company involved in the diamond industry and heard again that it is far more important to them that the excise tax issue be addressed than a legislative framework. The consumer does not care much about the legislative framework for the most part, but they do care about the quality of the diamonds and the price that they pay. Will the Minister take some energy away from developing a legislative framework and put more effort into addressing the 10 percent excise tax in Canada?

Supplementary To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that is a very good suggestion. I think we have to turn more of our attention in this regard. At the same time, we have not really been pursuing the proposed Diamond Manufacturers Licensing Act very vigorously. However, we will turn more of our attention to this 10 percent excise tax. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable Nwt Diamond Industry
Question 317-14(5): Establishing A Viable NWT Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.

Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Public Works, Mr. Steen, with regard to his Return to Oral Question concerning the water and sewage operations agreements. He made reference to the Financial Manual Directive 901, section 4.1.1, that charges for services to the public. They made provisions where there is a 5 percent administration charge and an 11 percent management fee, which is attached. To me, that means a 16 percent fee. I would like to ask the Minister whether DPW is required to recover full costs of those services or are there other options that could be looked at with respect to those agreements?

Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services, Mr. Steen.

Return To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that Public Works is required to recover full costs. Thank you.

Return To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can understand if someone is paying you the full costs for the work that you do, but why is there a need for a 16 percent administration cost on top of the costs that you are already invoicing for, and then you add a 16 percent charge on top? As far as I can see, that is a cost over and above carrying out that responsibility. Why is there a need for a 16 percent charge?

Supplementary To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services, Mr. Steen.

Further Return To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that this cost, as I explained earlier in my Return to Oral Question, covers the cost of administration as well as the other costs Public Works incurs in order to supply the service. Public Works is required to recover costs because if the community chooses, they may undertake the service themselves and therefore, there would be no cost on the part of the community as far as either a contractor or Public Works are concerned. However, if a community takes on the work themselves and hires a contractor to do the job, they would still have to pay administrative costs one way or the other.

For Public Works to actually do the service for some communities free and not charge would be unfair to those communities that take on the job themselves and therefore bear the costs themselves. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with regard to the Minister's response, it says that in order to comply with the Financial Administration Act, you had to make these changes. In order to do that, Public Works was required to do that, so does that mean that the agreements prior to this are illegal because those agreements are not complying with the Financial Administration Act?

Supplementary To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services, Mr. Steen.

Further Return To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know if the previous agreements were in contravention of the Financial Administration Act or not, but in the previous agreements, we identified 9 percent and it was assumed that those would cover the costs at that time. Since then, we have had to recalculate this and that is where the new figures come from, 5 percent for the administration and 11 percent for the other services. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Question 318-14(5): Water And Sewer Operations Agreements
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.