This is page numbers 1397 - 1454 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was tlicho.

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Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Nitah.

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Chairman. I, too, will support third reading of this bill. I supported it throughout and my questions concerning the North Slave Metis and their opportunities to come to terms with the federal and territorial government with something similar to this satisfied my concern, the ability of the Deh Cho and Akaitcho to finalize their agreement with the federal and territorial governments in this area. It also satisfied my questions.

Mr. Chairman, this is truly an historic day. We are one more agreement realizing a new relationship between aboriginal and public governments in Canada. I look forward to working with the other aboriginal groups that are still negotiating, the Metis, the Akaitcho and the Deh Cho and finalizing their agreement, so we could create more certainty in the Northwest Territories.

Our economy, our political and socio-economic conditions are dependent upon those things. Mr. Chairman, I would like to congratulate the Tlicho people, their leaders for a job well done and look forward to the new partnership we have with them as governments. It's been a long day, Mr. Speaker, and we still have a ways to go, so I will keep my comments to that. Once again, I congratulate the Tlicho people on their new agreement. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Lafferty.

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

October 10th, 2003

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also want to speak on this and support it. Also I would like to tell my constituents who are up there, from the day this legislation came in front of the committee, there was support from my colleagues right from day one. The only problem they had was the process. They suggested that we go through the regular process as a government or a territory. That is one of the things that they needed to do. As I mentioned in my statement yesterday, this wasn't a normal process. I am glad that they, at the end of the day, agreed with us and we dealt with it in the House as a legislature. Sometimes we have to make hard decisions. We've made a lot of decisions in this House. We made one today earlier. We must have pushed some buttons, but still that's the way it works in this House. We don't always agree on what one another does, but we do get over it sometimes. We as legislators sit around this table, people see us and hear us and they know we are doing it for the benefit of people out there. Today, it is for the Tlicho.

The next Assembly, it might be for the Deh Cho and the Akaitcho. We might have to sit around and say what is the normal procedure? That's the day we are going to decide are we going to go through it the way we did with the Tlicho or are we going the long process? This is an agreement that was made by three parties, so it doesn't matter what we said or what we did, there are some pieces of the agreement that we couldn't have changed anyway. Maybe some of the legislation at the end of the dates and times of the effective dates, we would probably have changed those. On one hand, public consultation is a great thing. They did go through that. They did go through 12 years. You have to congratulate all the people who were part of it. We had Cabinet representatives for the last three or four assemblies that were part of it. It took that long to complete this agreement and they have to be congratulated. There are many departments involved. Those people have to be congratulated. The Dogrib negotiators have to be congratulated, as well as the chiefs who were out there. There were many chiefs. Some of the chiefs are not around who were part of it. Some of the elders who were involved in it are no longer around. So those people have to be thought about and congratulated. Their families should be congratulated. So I don't want to carry on and on.

I will just say that thanks to my colleagues for the support right from day one. Thank you.

---Applause

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Braden.

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
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Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, will try to avoid repeating myself and the remarks, the very well crafted and well said remarks of my colleagues that I will agree with. My position is clear on the difficulty I have with this bill. That is that the opportunity that the people of the Northwest Territories have come to expect and deserve, to be able to look and criticize and potentially amend our laws has been denied in this process. It has gone against some of the fundamental values that we've tried to adhere to in this Assembly, values like being inclusive and governing our affairs with some abeyance to the principles of consensus. These things are at the core of our values in the Assembly and admittedly and undeniably, we are denying people those values in this process.

Along with a number of my colleagues, I have tried to bring focus and significance to the responsibility we have in this institution to be consistent, to make sure that there are at least some stages in the way we govern that people can rely on. When we change our mind and change the direction and change the process by which we make these laws, I think we diminish our confidence, our trust and our credibility. You can't peel too many more layers off of our purpose for being here, Mr. Chairman. If we don't have the trust and the integrity, then we really don't have anything. I don't want to say where this layers the case, where we are putting it all on the line. It's not an emergency or a make or break degree, but we need to be very careful every time we say we can do something differently. Especially after the fact in this case, Mr. Speaker. We have taken some people by surprise and denied them an opportunity that they might have had earlier in the process.

In my objections, in my arguments, in my discussions with a lot of people, and my colleagues have said, we have been tremendously, vigorously lobbied on this one. I believe I have got a couple of things out on the table. One of them, in a discussion with some aboriginal leaders, with the Minister this afternoon, is an acknowledgment and an understanding, at least on my part, that because these laws - and there are going to be more of them - are created in a different process we are used to, then we need to look at our approval process as well. That is something that the next Assembly has to look at pretty early and look at very seriously. We are going to see the same kind of challenge again.

Mr. Chairman, I have also secured a confirmation from Chief Joe Rabesca that one of the first things I hope to do if I am returned as the Member for Great Slave is to invite Grand Chief Joe and his people into my constituency to meet face to face with my constituents and explore the consequences of this bill and what I know are the benefits and at least take up some of what I think has been denied to the people of the NWT. I have not asked Mr. Antoine for that same commitment. He will not, of course, be returning to this Assembly, but it is something that I want to engage in with the next Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and take that back to my constituents as something I hope I can be held accountable for, that I have tried to deliver on this fundamental process that we have, unfortunately and very regrettably, Mr. Chairman, been compelled to forego.

I am going then to give qualified support to the third reading of this bill, Mr. Chairman. If I have heard my colleagues correctly, it seems that that will be a unanimous decision from this Assembly, from what I have heard so far. I believe that voice on that side is going to be a progressive one and that the qualification that I attach to it will help us see our way through this very new and very bold new step we will be taking in the development of the new Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

---Applause

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. To the preamble.

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

To the bill as a whole, as amended.

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
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The Chair Paul Delorey

Does the committee agree that Bill 34 is ready for third reading as amended?

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Bill 34 is now ready for third reading, as amended.

---Applause

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Paul Delorey

I would like to thank the Minister and his witnesses for appearing. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent.

Committee Motion 144-14(6): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 34, Carried
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Charles Dent Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I move we report progress.