Does the committee agree? We will continue on with Bill 32, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2002-2003 with Minister Handley. Would you like to bring in any witnesses, Mr. Handley?
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In the Legislative Assembly on October 8th, 2003. See this topic in context.
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Agreed.
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Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort in the witnesses.
Mr. Minister, for the record, would you please introduce your witness?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, with me is Lew Voytilla, secretary to the Financial Management Board. Thank you.
Detail
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Welcome, witness. When we adjourned yesterday, we were dealing with Health and Social Services, operations expense, ministry and corporate services, not previously authorized, $325,000. That was agreed.
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Program support, not previously authorized, $1.076 million. At the time, I had Mr. Braden asking a question, so I will allow you your 10 minutes. Mr. Braden.
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Bill Braden Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe when the clock ran out on us, I was asking if, through the Minister of Finance, the Minister of Health and Social Services was explaining to committee what an item calling for some AV equipment, laptops, training for a vital statistics project. The Minister, if I recall, had explained that our statistical database and process needs a big tune-up and this was equipment deemed necessary to retrain our people and improve our database. To go from that point, Mr. Chairman, does this mean the NWT is going to be getting into the era of electronic data for our medical records? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I will refer that to the Minister of Health and Social Services. Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a national initiative that's looking at health records and systems. We are involved at that table. That is some way down the road. It's a very complex issue dealing with confidentiality, amongst other things. The systems we have right now are going to allow us to move away from hard copy and allow our own internal pieces of the system, components of the system, to talk to each other and to share information and be able to give us technology to respond in an effective way. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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I would just remind Members, we are on page 9 of the bill under Health and Social Services program delivery support. Mr. Braden.
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Bill Braden Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The supp notes indicate because of some bookkeeping and it looks to me like a transfer from a capital expenditure to an O and M expenditure, that is the reason for this showing up here. I guess my question is more back to the Minister of Finance, what is the explanation here for this shift in allocation? It's a fair amount of money, $250,000. Could we get an explanation for that?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, this allocation was originally budgeted as capital investment appropriation, but when they did an assessment of what the equipment was, because it was under $50,000 for any of the equipment, it's operations expenditures. So this is just a transfer from capital to operations. Thank you.
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Bill Braden Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is $250,000 worth of hardware and software. It would seem to be an extraordinary expenditure, especially as it is coming up through a supp. How is it then that we are dealing with this in this format as a supplementary, Mr. Chairman, with expenditures of this size, I would really like to anticipate that they are in business plans and are part of our normal annual budgeting cycle. Why are we dealing with such a large amount of money now in a supp? Thank you.
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Initially, all these projects were all included in the business plans and were reviewed through the normal process. For example, in the vital statistics information system, the total budget for the project was $150,000. As they worked through the project over the course of the year, they determined that there was an element that required the purchase of equipment. Because that equipment was $150,000 per unit, it was designated to be O and M, so we had to shift the money from capital to O and M. There was $35,000, for example, on the vital stats information system. There is still $150,000 in that system in capital where it belongs. So it's as we worked through the project, the project becomes more defined and if there is capital equipment required, it really depends on the price of that equipment, whether it's O and M or capital. So it's really hard to determine this right at the beginning of the year when we are doing business plans up.
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Bill Braden Great Slave
Okay. With the time I have left, Mr. Chairman, I would like to go back to this vital statistics training project. How many people are we anticipating will be trained with this new equipment and this new process? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, these training units will be used for all the upgrades that are going to be done by vital statistics, as well as we will be working with the health centres and hospitals, so there are health information systems, there's vital statistics, hospital schedules and we would be able to use these systems or these training needs to go to the various authorities to work with them on the training on the systems that have been upgraded and the changes that have been made. So immediately would be the Inuvik office with vital stats, but the intent is to be able to use this equipment for all the training required for the system upgrades.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, on the same line of questioning, can the Minister inform us as to where this training will take place and where will this equipment be put? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, a lot of the initial training will take place up in the Inuvik office but the system will, as well, be used out in the other hospitals. Part of the money is to replace all the computers in the Inuvik office to upgrade from Windows 95 to 98, which is about 25 computers worth; about $150,000. The $25,000 is for the portable training unit and that will be based out of Inuvik and then moved to where it is needed for training.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister stated they were going to upgrade computers from the Windows 95 platform to the 98. Why wouldn't we be going to XP or something like that that would be matching today's date? Are we not already going from an ancient to a prehistoric or something like that?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The intent is to upgrade from Windows 95 and 98 to territorial service centre standards, which I assume would be the latest and greatest.
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The Chair David Krutko
Program delivery support, not previously authorized, $1.076. Health services programs, not previously authorized, $5.555 million. Mr. Delorey.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have some questions on the $2.567 million to provide funding for the additional costs associated with the settlement of the agreement with the specialists' positions. It seems like a huge amount of money and I know that this issue has been before in the House, especially in our last session, quite controversial. I guess I have some concerns in this area a lot because shortly after the positions got this huge increase, people in Hay River were being put on a waiting list because there were no surgeons available here in Yellowknife. I don't know if everybody went on holidays or what happened, but there was one surgeon available to service the whole of the Northwest Territories. There were people being put on a list that were sitting at home in pain because there were no surgeons available. Could I ask the Minister how many specialists received an increase out of this amount? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I believe it is 13 but if I am wrong I will ask the Minister of Health and Social Services, but I believe it is 13 specialists.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, so if there are only 13 specialists that received increases out of this amount, did everyone receive the same amount or what was the lowest amount that was received by a physician and what was the most?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, on average the increase was 38 percent, but with compensation the base pay increased by 8.16 percent to 21 percent over a two-year period depending on which pay band the physicians fell into. So there was a difference depending on pay bands. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess that when we throw percentages, I guess that could be a little bit deceiving, but what is the average salary of these specialists? Do we know what the average salary is? Thank you.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the base salary itself ranges from about $237,000 at step one and at the third step the high would be a little less than $291,000, now that is the base salary. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the base salary of $291,000 or $237,000 at step one, is this before the increase or is this after the increase?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the amount I gave you for base salary was after the increases and, Mr. Chairman, it may be that the Member is thinking of the total package because this negotiated settlement included more than base pay. It included other allowances and compensation. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Out of those other items that would come under that benefit package, is any of this money identified in here, did any of that money go towards over and above the base salary?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Yes, Mr. Chairman, the negotiated settlement includes the base salary and the amount that we have here includes that. In addition to that, the doctors also, specialists, got a bonus, they got on-call allowances, they got continuing medical education provisions, northern allowance, retention bonus, there are a number of other pieces in here, Mr. Chairman. All of the compensation negotiated with the specialists is included in this amount of money here. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I don't know if it is possible to get a breakdown of what the actual salaries are or if that is confidential information. If it is not I would certainly like to get it, but it seems like a fairly good salary for a specialist. I am wondering, Mr. Chairman, I know that specialists in the South have an awful lot of overhead in a lot of cases in their practice. What types of overheads do the specialists have in the Northwest Territories for them to practice here?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the doctors who are on salary would not have overhead expenses, as would doctors on a clinical service agreement. All of these individuals who are on salary would basically have no overhead. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I didn't get an answer to my first question about the salaries. If we do have a breakdown of the salaries that are being paid to specialists now, and the other thing I would like to put on the record is when are we scheduled or due to start negotiating with these same specialists again?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I don't think there is any difficulty in giving the salary ranges by pay range, as well as the detail on the bonus so it would be based on the ranges. This wouldn't be individual doctor's packages, but I don't see a problem in giving that. The current agreement that has just recently been negotiated ends on March 31, 2004, and I expect that we will begin negotiating with the specialists again for their new contract within the next couple of months, January, February, somewhere in there. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Along the same line of questioning, how do I become a specialist?
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Now the Minister is using a number of different areas. He has talked about pay ranges and so on and stated that that didn't include the bonuses and so on. Looking at these initial figures, when you just take out the number of specialists being 13 and divide it by the amount there, the salary ranges you gave from $237,000 to $291,000, we are almost just taking up this price. So is the Minister stating that an equivalent amount is in bonuses, from what the salary ranges would be or is that retro pay in there? Could we get that information?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, a couple of things. First of all, there is a fairly healthy benefit package as well as the salary. So the average total compensation if you take everything including one-time signing bonuses, when you take that all together it amounts to about $435,000 per physician. I might also point out, Mr. Chairman, that this amount of money in here is for more than just the 13 because it does include all money for all of the positions we have in the budget.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the Minister for that information. Now the average total compensation being $435,000, and he just also stated that the total amount that is being called for in the supp includes all of the positions. Can he give us further detail, because initially he told us there were 13? Are there potentially more positions than 13 being allocated for?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I will double check on the figure of 13 to make sure that that is accurate, but there are more positions than the 13 because this money is for all the positions Health had in their budget and some of those at the time would have been vacant and they anticipated, of course, that they would be filled. The exact status of that today, I don't have numbers on that, Mr. Chairman.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know that when this was being discussed, as Mr. Delorey stated the controversy around it, but I would like to know, we've talked about the increases as necessary to help attract doctors to the North. Can the Minister inform us if in fact we have gotten any new specialists in the Northwest Territories since this agreement was signed?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I don't know the detail about how many doctors have been hired recently. The Minister of Health and Social Services just left the room temporarily and I was going to refer it to him. Mr. Chairman, I don't know if we can come back to that question when he is back in the room, but I don't have that detail here. Thank you.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I too have questions, but more directly in the area of health. Without having the Minister here, is there a possibility of standing down this section until the Minister is here? I was going to ask questions around a similar line of questioning but I also have questions about the five mental health worker positions, two in Inuvik, one in the Dogrib region, one in the Deh Cho and one in Yellowknife. I was going to ask the question about the two in the Inuvik region. I have received a letter from the Minister that those positions were supposed to be advertised. I am just wondering, did they have any idea of where those positions are going to be located? Is it going to be in Inuvik itself or will it be in the communities?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, one of those positions is in Inuvik, and the other one is in Holman. Thank you.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I too have a lot of concerns about the $2.567 million in regard to the specialists' payout, which as we can see it is over $400,000, rough calculation, per specialist, but yet we continue to see people being medevaced from Inuvik to Edmonton and bypassing Yellowknife altogether, and that is where the majority of the specialists are. I'd like to ask the Minister, have you done a rough estimate, have we seen a decrease in medevac travel using southern facilities versus using the Stanton Hospital?
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Handley. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We don't have that specific information. We do track our medevac travel, we have a number of vacancies in the specialists department, but I don't have that level of detail.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Do we have any idea if we have seen a decrease in medevacs to Edmonton since we settled with the specialists to the tune of $2.5 million?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, during the period of the latter part of the negotiations, there was some movement of patients to Edmonton because of the uncertainty. Since that time that issue has rectified itself. We do track and I can commit to getting information that will show the number of medevac travel that we have from Inuvik to Yellowknife, Yellowknife to the South, but I don't have that at my fingertips. Thank you.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd just like to ask the Minister if he also has tracked the level of service. Have we seen an improvement in service or a decline in service in regard to the specialists who are dealing with them? Have we seen a shortage of waiting less for people who want that service? So have we seen an improvement in service considering we made a major cash contribution to settle this thing? I'd like to know have we seen any improvements in the service?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there were three new positions added last winter to the overall complement of specialists, but this particular negotiation was to better compensate them for the work they are now doing. There has been no huge volume increase tied into this agreement so we are paying them for the work that they have been doing in a very competitive market and this was the negotiated settlement. Thank you.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to ask the Minister if we have any statistics that we can show exactly on the number of patients that have seen these specialists and have a cost breakdown on what it is costing based on a cost per patient?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Once again, I don't have that level of detail available, but we can commit to provide the information we have in regard to specialists' workloads and volumes.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Just getting back to my area of questioning about the five mental health workers, I see you are posting two new positions in the Inuvik region. I'd just like to ask the Minister if those positions will be advertised in the region or is this simply going to be done through headquarters?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the intent is for the authorities across the territory to deal with the majority of their staffing at the regional level so that those positions will be staffed out of Inuvik.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Mr. Chairman, the funds are available. My understanding is with the mental health positions, for this year there is one for Inuvik, one for Holman, that they just have to do the staffing and make sure whatever changes were required for office space are made.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Just a question on other priorities, $800,000. Could we get an idea of what that $800,000 is for? Could you give us a breakdown?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the $800,000 is money that is to be allocated to each of the regions, to the eight regional boards at $100,000 each. It is earmarked for primary care and exactly how it is to be used is up to each of the regional boards, but clearly it has to be for primary care, for direct care. Thank you.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Can the Minister tell us if any of this money will be spent in the communities, out of the $100,000 per region or will it simply stay at the regional centres?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I expect that it will be allocated out to the communities. Each of the boards and the department will have to develop a plan before the money is expended and that would be approved through the department, but it is meant for small local initiatives and I don't think we will see it used up only in the headquarters. Thank you.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Just on the palliative care program, I have raised questions in the House with the Minister on this. From information I have seen there hasn't been any of these types of programs in the smaller communities and not in the Mackenzie Delta region. I'd just like to ask the Minister exactly, did they do analysis before this money was allocated to where these programs already exist and where those programs don't exist?
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
I am talking about the $800,000, the $100,000 that is going to each regional health centre. You said it was there for the palliative care program so I would just like to know.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, sorry, I didn't say palliative care, I said primary health care so it is not restricted to palliative care and, as I said, it is meant for local small initiatives, areas where the boards feel there are needs, and they will have to come back with a plan and I expect that some of it will certainly be allocated to small centres as well, but they have to come back with their plan yet.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, further to my question I asked earlier on the number of specialists and the average total compensation package, just to rephrase my earlier question. When this came up, there was a lot of concern about the amount of money that was being put into this plan and the fact that there was a shortage of specialists and this would be needed to bring them in. So I would like to know if in fact since this package has been sealed up and agreed to and signed off, have we in fact had more specialists hired on? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The information I have before me indicates that we have a total of 15 filled positions out of a total of 21.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So is that an increase from where we were when this whole process was under review or under negotiation, or are we actually less?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Mr. Chairman, my understanding is that they have added a couple of new specialists, that prior to the conclusion of this negotiated agreement, the vacancy rate was higher.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was wondering if we could get an outline of what is included in the $908,000 as infrastructure to support the integrated service delivery model?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the $908,000 is for office space, for furniture and minor equipment for the mental health workers. Again, I don't know exactly what office space, what furniture, or what minor equipment will be needed, but this allocation would be spent depending on where the mental health workers are hired, what is needed, and when they are hired. Thank you.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'd also like to get some information about the $431,000 for the 1-800 call centre. I know in traveling in Alberta, we saw the one that Capital Health has and it was quite impressive. Is this $431,000 to cover the costs for just getting one set up? Is this just to sort of get things going, or can I get an idea of what the ongoing costs are going to be? What are we looking at to run one of these things?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Yes, Mr. Chairman. This amount of money is for the operation of the call centre. The $431,000 in operations expenditures reflects a one-time startup cost of $118,000 and $312,500 is the prorated amount we would need for this year from November 1st to the end of the fiscal year. The full year ongoing costs are estimated at $750,000. A request for proposals has been issued and we expect to have that back on October 15th. Thank you.
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Thank you. Health and Social Services, health services, programs, not previously authorized, $5.555 million.
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Department Of Justice
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NWT Housing Corporation
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The Chair David Krutko
NWT Housing Corporation, operation expenditure, NWT Housing Corporation, special warrant, $310,000.
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Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
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Education, Culture and Employment, operation expenditure, education and culture, special warrant, $150,000.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As foundations are a problem in areas especially where there is permafrost, is this going to be the total amount required for this school repair?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, it's hard to predict that this will be enough money to maintain the building until a new one is built. I think in the capital plan, there's one off in the future years probably in about 2007-2008 we would have to continue using this building, but they are certainly repairs we need right now. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I am looking for a little bit of certainty here, understanding that future years might be bringing something else down the line, but for the foundation for the Chief T'Seleie School in Fort Good Hope, $150,000, is this emergency repair? A special warrant of $150,000, it sounds like it was an emergency repair that was needed immediately sort of thing.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, yes. There was an assessment done on it. The total cost for doing repairs to the foundation is $250,000. The department found $100,000, but we are short on it and required another $150,000. This is an emergency because they have to do the work now, but it is certainly not the permanent solution. The permanent solution will be the replacement of that old school eventually.
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The Chair David Krutko
Page 13, Education, Culture and Employment, operation expense, total department, $150,000, special warrant.
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Agreed.
Department Of Transportation
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The Chair David Krutko
Transportation, operation expense, highways, not previously authorized, $100,000.
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Department Of Resources, Wildlife And Economic Development
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Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, operation expense, corporate management, special warrant, not previously authorized, $50,000.
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Agreed.
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The Chair David Krutko
Resource management and economic development, not previously authorized, $624,000. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, a number of areas within Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development now are putting in for funding for additional expenses incurred in the devolution and revenue sharing negotiations. This is an ongoing item and has been put into the business plan process. So what happened that made this cost go above what was allocated during business plan and main estimate review?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, there was an allocation originally. All of the government departments are operating with pretty tight budgets. The workload, the pace of development on these issues, on devolution, on the resource revenue sharing negotiations are moving more intensely than what was anticipated and thus a need for more money than originally was budgeted. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess it's a good thing to know it's moving along quicker and for that reason there's a larger expense. Does that mean it will be completed sooner and that way we know that we are coming to a conclusion of this process? Thank you.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I have used the word "intensely" not meaning that it's necessarily going to be resolved quicker, but there is more effort put into it by all of the parties and as one of three parties in this process, we have to keep pace with the others. I don't know exactly that they ever had an exact deadline for when they would complete it. I think the objective has always been to complete it as quickly as we can though.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can remember earlier questions in the life of this assembly when we thought this royalty revenue sharing or resource revenue sharing would be complete within months, but we were quickly running out of time in this assembly, so obviously it will be for the continued task of the new government to continue on and hopefully bring it to a conclusion. That will be all for now, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair David Krutko
A comment. Resource management and economic development, not previously authorized, $624,000.
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Some Hon. Members
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
Department Of Executive
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Executive, capital investment expenditure, Financial Management Board Secretariat, directorate, special warrant, $180,000.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It seems to be a common occurrence within our government. It always seems to be in the area of IT and once again we are seeing a server and patch management took software for the Technology Service Centre. Are we going to continue to see this? We know again it was put through a business plan process and amounts were allocated. Here we are six months into the fiscal year and we are going in for extra funding. So do we find something grossly out of sync or more expensive? Again, it just seems to be a growth that has energy and grows on its own. Are we going to see something soon that would stick to the plans that we put forward or are we going to continue to see growth throughout the year? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, there is a multi-year plan and I believe in the long run, we do, on average, stick to it. We do run into situations though where unexpected circumstances cause us to need particular pieces of software or hardware. In this case, the main reason for this expenditure for the server patch management tools was because of the unexpected increase in viruses that we have been experiencing over the last several months. So this one is something that couldn't have been anticipated. Mr. Chairman, on average, generally, we are staying within our multi-year plan in this area. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With these additional resources we're putting to the TSC are we going to see contractors in the smaller centres squeezed out of business as this section gears up, or are we going to see them using the private sector to try and help deal with the situations that we find ourselves in from time to time? Thank you.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, we're honouring all existing contracts we have with providers and we are looking at ways to maximize the services that the local and community providers can give us. This should not result in the local providers being squeezed out. They'll have to, of course, bid on tenders and so on as usual and hopefully they'll be successful. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will those tenders be broken down so that some of those bodies out there can bid on this regionally? My concern is, for example, out of Inuvik, if we have problems with computers from a government office and there's nobody that can fix them locally or if there's a contractor from a different community that either someone's got to be flown in at an extra expense or equipment be sent out for repairs. We know the problems with doing both of those. What are we considering here? It seems that since the TSC has come in we've been grouping either purchases and things of that nature. The last 10 tenders that went out were won by three companies in Yellowknife and none were won from outside businesses. Are we going to be keeping that in mind as we look at "Towards a Better Tomorrow?" Thank you.
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just for clarity, the TSC does not do the actual bulk purchasing, that's done through Public Works and Services, but certainly the intent is to continue to put those tenders out in the North and open them up for bid by all businesses serving the Northwest Territories. So there's no intention to try and structure our tenders on hardware acquisition in any way that would prevent local and northern suppliers from successfully bidding.
With respect to the TSC and the services, the TSC is honouring, as the Minister pointed out, all existing service arrangements with existing service providers in the regions and we are looking and actively exploring with those service providers ways to integrate them and use them in the provision of services in the regions and communities. One of the key objectives of the TSC is to get a critical mass of service in each region so that, in fact, there is continuity of service and there is more coverage so people can, in fact, get effective service. In some cases where that can be or is being provided by the private sector we'll continue to pursue that approach. Where we can, by pooling our resources in the region, get that continuity and that extended service coverage in place, then we'll be doing that.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a comment here on the response. I still have a concern that although all northern companies across the North will be able to bid on things, I mean, you can bid on it, but again, if it's all geared towards largest provider then we know that by bulk volume you can usually get in a better tender because the smaller communities or businesses would have difficulty matching that. Hopefully, as we go through this process we're always keeping in mind that right now, previous governments have seen fit to break things down, not to go back to the old Government Services way of doing business where everything was shipped out to communities and there was no local business or suppliers. Hopefully we're not going to go in that direction. We do have to look at equities in how we do things, but it is good to hear that it will honour existing contracts where it makes sense and they will continue to use the private sector to help deliver the service side for our equipment. Thank you.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I took that as being more of a comment, but the answer would be yes, I agree.
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Financial Management Board Secretariat
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Department Of Public Works And Services
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Public Works and Services, capital investment expenditures, systems and communications, not previously authorized, negative $120,000.
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Department Of Health And Social Services
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Health and Social Services, capital investment expenditures, services, not previously authorized, $1.385 million.
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Health services programs, not previously authorized, $1.311 million. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. May we get some information on the $1.15 million to provide appropriation authority for the allocation of the health accord funding to acquire new medical equipment, a priority identified by the department? Do you have an idea where this is going? What type of equipment? Regarding the health accord, is that the agreement signed recently by Ministers of Health Canada? Thank you.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Yes, the Member is correct in terms of the question with regard to the health accord. On the equipment, again, I don't know what this equipment is, but it goes into Stanton Territorial Health Authority. It's two pieces of equipment: Fluoro Philips Super 80 CP -- whatever that is -- a General Gen Rad -- I don't know if that's general radiation equipment -- and an X-ray/Fluoro for Hay River. So two of them to Stanton Territorial Health Authority and one to Hay River in year one of this program. Then there's also a portable ultrasound for Stanton Territorial Health Authority. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe the Minister of Health and Social Services can explain what some of that equipment would be used for.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, I don't know if he's taken medicine yet either. Either he can or the Member can when he gets his course completed. I'll go to the Minister of Health and Social Services.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I must confess I don't have any more knowledge of what those particular pieces of equipment are than the Minister of Finance. I would point out as well that there's some funding available, I believe, for portable X-ray equipment for communities as well.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister then inform us how many portable pieces of X-ray equipment this would be picking up?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Sorry, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I believe the plan is to buy 15 units at the cost of $25,000 a unit.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
Department Of Education, Culture And Employment
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The Chair David Krutko
Education, Culture and Employment, capital investment expenditures, education and culture, special warrant, negative $150,000.
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Agreed.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in our books in the schedule it says that the effect on the GNWT financial position will be nil as this amount will be offset by a contribution from Heritage Canada. Will Heritage Canada be offsetting the entire cost of this school or is there going to be some cost to the Government of the Northwest Territories? I wonder if we could get that identified.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Handley.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the cash contribution from the GNWT will be $618,000. In addition to that, there are some in-kind contributions that will be made to the project. These include some environmental impact analysis, project management salaries, technical support, contract insurance and providing and maintaining shared use facilities. There are in-kind costs above the $618,000. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm not speaking against this, I want to be clear about that, but I was just wondering why we would have a line in here that there's no impact on the GNWT financial position if, in fact, we know that we're going to be putting in $600,000 plus in cash and another half a million in soft costs. There isn't a complete offset. It doesn't seem like it's quite accurate. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Handley.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the $200,000 that is in this application is all federal money. There is no cost to the GNWT. The other costs I'm referring to and the other ongoing things will be built into the business plans and hopefully handled through the normal process. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. General comments. Education, Culture and Employment, not previously authorized, $200,000.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Total department $200,000. Oh, sorry. Total department, special warrant, negative $150,000.
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Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Not previously authorized, $200,000.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Department Of Transportation
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Transportation, capital investment expenditures, highways, not previously authorized, $2.9 million. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On the $3 million for funding to accelerate phase II of the Mackenzie Valley road bridge building program, can we, for the record, get more detail than is provided on that? Mr. Chairman, the reason I ask that is because during business plans we were given information about the winter road work that was going on and the bridges that were getting built and this is above and beyond that. So if I can just have some detail on that. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Handley.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, we've had to coordinate this program with the contributions we're getting from the federal government through DIAND. The total project is a two-year project. There will be 12 bridges constructed between Norman Wells and Fort Good Hope with a total cost of $5.7 million. This year we have $3 million. DIAND, the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs, are putting in $2 million and we're putting in $1 million. In the second year, in 2004-2005, it will be in the business plans and the contributions will be $1.6 million from the federal government, $900,000 from our government and $200,000 from industry. That's in the second year. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Two hundred thousand dollars from industry. Has that already been worked out and negotiated with companies? Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Handley.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, no, that hasn't been worked out finally with them. The companies that are currently using the winter road will be approached first. This year, those companies are Paramount Resources and Canadian North Resources. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Highways, not previously authorized, $2.9 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Road licensing and safety, not previously authorized, negative $100,000.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Total department, not previously authorized, $2.8 million.
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Agreed.
Department Of Resources, Wildlife And Economic Development
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, capital investment expenditures, Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, not previously authorized, negative $60,000.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Total department, not previously authorized, negative $60,000.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Does committee agree the detail has been completed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Clause By Clause
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
We're going to be doing clause by clause of the bill. Clause 1.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Clause 2.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Clause 3.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Clause 4.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Clause 5.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Clause 6.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Clause 7.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Clause 8.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Schedule, part 1, vote 1, operations expenditures, total supplementary appropriation for operations expenditures, $11,844,726.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Part 2, vote 2, capital investment expenditures, total supplementary appropriation for capital investment expenditures, $5.776 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Total supplementary appropriation, $17,620,726.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Whereas it appears by message from the Commissioner, oh...Bill 32...Oh, okay. To the preamble.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
The bill as a whole.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Does the committee agree that Bill 32 is ready for third reading?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Bill 32 is now ready for third reading. Thank you, Mr. Handley and staff.
---Applause
Does committee agree we move on to Bill 22, Waste Recovery and Reduction Act?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.