Yes, it's about $25 million and that includes the $23 million plus the additional programs such as the teacher education strategy, et cetera. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under other expenses, the amount drops from the revised estimates of $11.5 million to just over $5.5 million in the 2003-2004 mains. What is the reason for the nearly $6 million drop between what we are actually spending this year and what we are proposing to spend next year under other expenses?

If you will bear with us for a moment, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The change takes place because we had a settlement of residential school payments, payments related to the residential school issue. That is the reason for the drop this year. There was a spike there for a year.

Is that why the figures that are included on this page are also partly shown on page 9-18 and under instructional and support services? We see an almost $4 million drop in instructional support services. Is that because part of some of the payments were recruited to that line as well, or is there another reason for the $4 million drop in instructional and support services?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, that is correct.

Moving onto another topic, I think Members have been generally supportive of the department's efforts to expand on distance learning initiatives and I think that this is certainly an area in which we had hoped we would be able to see better quality programs provided, particularly in some of our smaller schools and providing a broader range of programs there as well through distance learning processes. But I don't see any increase in terms of what we are putting into distance learning systems. The question I have to pose to the Minister is do we not see this as being successful? Is that why we haven't expanded on their use? Conversely, how can we expect them to be successful if we don't expand the funding to make sure that distance learning systems can be improved? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have found that the distance learning system is being accepted very well and we feel we are starting to achieve success with it. We have had a number of teachers qualified to become supervisors or presenters for students. Our indication is that the uptake is fairly good in this area with a lot of students taking the first access program and after that taking credit programs. We have found that there is -- I am going off the top of my head -- approximately 78...We do have some success in it. I will ask Dr. Foley to explain some of the success we've had.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the information. I was wondering if we could get information about where the uptake is taking place. Are we seeing this being accessed by students in smaller communities or is it typically the regional centres where the courses are being taken by students?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, it is being utilized throughout the territory and all the communities. I should clarify that. It's not all communities, but many of the communities, Mr. Chair. We have a sheet here and Dr. Foley has some statistics which we can pass on to Members.