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Concerns With Resource Allocation And Financial Management Processes
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last June in this House I made a statement on the way consensus government is supposed to work. I pointed out that consensus government is a system where each Member is allowed to vote as he or she wishes on any subject matter. Consensus government is a system where our approval of any decision requires agreement by the majority of Members. Mr. Speaker, when I raised this issue in June, I was disturbed. Although we are elected to practice consensus government, this is not what was or is actually practiced.

During session last June, the Deputy Premier stated that as a government, we have a responsibility to make sure that our budget is in place and is followed as closely as possible. Despite these words, Cabinet continues to use supplementary appropriations, special warrants, to transfer money from project to project in certain ridings. Because of this practice, Regular Members spend a lot of time asking questions about why and how money has been moved around in Minister's ridings. By Cabinet doing this, I feel the political process is undermined. Regular Members have no knowledge or input on where these funds are moved. We are left out of the loop of the decision making process, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we sit in this House and on committees to work for our regions and to work for the Territories as a whole. Each Member lobbies hard to ensure that the needs of his or her riding are addressed and that government money is allocated fairly. It is disrespectful when Cabinet ignores this process and chooses which project it will fund without any input from Members.

Mr. Speaker, as elected Members we are writing the last chapter of the 14th Assembly and creating a transition document for the next Assembly. In this document, I think we need to include the things that have worked well during the last three and half years and the things that need improvement. The continuous disregard and exclusion of input from Members in the funding process needs to be addressed. As well, the inability of Ministers to freely vote is of great concern to me. My understanding is that this procedure is new to the Assembly. It is inconsistent with the concept of consensus government and it is geared towards party politics.

On a brighter note, I am pleased to say that I have seen one instance of consensus government in action. Of course, I am referring to the decision made by most of my colleagues to defer the implementation of the harmonization strategy. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member seeks unanimous consent to conclude his Members' statement. Are there any nays. There are no nays, you may conclude your statement, Mr. Lafferty.

Concerns With Resource Allocation And Financial Management Processes
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said, of course I am referring to the decision made by most of my colleagues to defer the implementation of the harmonization strategy. In doing what we did, we voted on something that we agreed to. It makes us work better together but there is still a great concern when Cabinet is voting as a block. It is party politics when you are not allowed to vote but you have to vote as a solid Cabinet. Mr. Speaker, at this time I say that this will allow time to answer the many concerns of ours that were raised when we dealt with this harmonization. Certainly Members were concerned that we were given an opportunity to look at it again and maybe this way we can work for the Territories in a much better way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Benefit Performance For The Hay River Youth Resource Centre
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today for a few minutes about an event that is going to be taking place in Hay River this weekend. We have a Youth Resource Center in Hay River, which is managed by a local youth council in conjunction with the Soaring Eagle Friendship Center. They have been funded for a number of years by some programs under the federal government and they are uncertain of their future. So some very well known musicians in the Northwest Territories have agreed to come to Hay River and put on a performance on Saturday night, which would raise funds and the proceeds would go directly to the Youth Resource Center in Hay River.

The Youth Resource Center performs a very important function in the community. It provides tutoring for students after school and has a fitness center and many other activities that give our youth something to do other than hanging out, perhaps getting into mischief that they shouldn't. So, it does provide a very worthwhile cause for people to get behind and get involved in. I would like to thank people like George Tuccaro and John Tees and John Landry, Pat Burke, Paul Andrew, Premier Kakfwi, Commissioner Hansen, quite a number of well known Northern performers that will be coming to Hay River on Saturday to have a jam session in the afternoon with the youth and then put on a performance for the public in the evening.

So, anyone in Hay River who is watching this, Mr. Speaker, I encourage them to come out, it's well worthwhile for the $12 ticket, and also I would like to invite my colleagues who happen to be in the South Slave this weekend to join us for this. We hope to be able to hand a fair amount over to the youth center. I also would like to thank the youth who named the music festival Northern Friends, and who also have been out distributing posters and selling tickets and very involved, not just waiting for somebody to do something for them, but getting actively involved themselves in fundraising. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes, Mr. Allen.

Mackenzie Delta Muskrat Trapping Tradition
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a bit of a story to my Member's statement today so I will begin by saying this is a special time for many residents of my riding of Inuvik Twin Lakes who engage in the art of trapping muskrats and beaver. Many enjoy the cold morning wind chill as they travel to the lakes of the Delta. Here they shovel the snow off the muskrat-pushup, and break open the door. If it's a live house, the trapper proceeds to set a rat trap. The trapper closes the push-up with lots of snow so it doesn't freeze. Later in the evening, it's time to visit the traps, and the trapper repeats this practice day after day.

Mr. Speaker, this is a familiar story for this time of year in the Mackenzie Delta. The people are out enjoying what is a custom for many of us. Mr. Speaker, it's not only about the trapping of muskrats that makes life so enjoyable, it's about families participating in this seasonal lifestyle. The trappers refer to it back home as "ratting season." If I may, Mr. Speaker, my friend would come home and talk about nothing but rat, rat, rat.

Mr. Speaker, there is also a nice history to this tradition. It's about being out on the lakes making a nice fire, having hot tea with bannock and Klik. Mr. Speaker, besides getting a nice windburn, we also have the wind that blows the campfire smoke into your face, which forces you to move your branches. Mr. Speaker, there is a moral to this story and there is only one Member in this House that can tell it and I am certainly not that one Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Mackenzie Delta Muskrat Trapping Tradition
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Allen. You aren't going to tell us who that is? Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for Range Lake.

Committee Report 11-14(6): Interim Report Of The Special Committee On The Implementation Of Self-government And The Sunset Clause
Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with great pleasure as one of the co-chairs, that I present to you the interim progress report of the Special Committee on the Implementation of Self-Government and the Sunset Clause.

This is a story about the search for the "self" in "self-government". "Self" government has meaning for all of us. We all want to be self-governing. We all want to keep our identities as individuals and groups, but we live closely together. Together we make up the communities of the NWT and the governments that serve them.

In our committee's view, this is the starting point for understanding the systems of governance that have evolved in the NWT in the past, and for examining what potentially lies ahead as a result of negotiations to establish new systems of governance in the Northwest Territories in the future.

When the resident territorial government was established in 1967, it came with a federal government promise of greater self-government. However, as the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples has documented, while the system of territorial government in the NWT has been better than most in Canada in responding to aboriginal peoples' cultures and values, it has not gone far enough. A central purpose of self-government agreements is to ensure that aboriginal peoples gain more control over decision-making on matters that affect them.

We have been working to understand the new systems of government that are emerging from self-government negotiations. We want to understand these agreements so that we have a sense of how things will change for the Legislative Assembly and GNWT, but more importantly so we can have a territory-wide conversation about what all NWT residents can expect in the future.

Mr. Speaker, the provisions of a single self-government agreement are sufficiently complex that good forecasts about its implementation are not entirely credible. When two, three, six, seven or more self-government agreements are factored into the equation, the process of mapping out implications is even more difficult.

Even though self-government agreements are generally quite detailed, these documents, and the other legal and political side agreements required for their implementation, will in all likelihood only provide a framework, rather than a script, for governance in the NWT. The literal wording of every provision of self-government agreements will probably not be strictly implemented. This does not mean these agreements will lose their legal or political force. Simply put, over time practical approaches will need to be taken by all governments in the NWT if governance is to be effective, as has been the case with the Constitution of Canada itself.

So while the situation is not entirely predictable at this point, a clearer picture is emerging as each new agreement is concluded. These agreements will result in fundamental changes to many aspects of the way the Assembly and GNWT now do things, including:

  • • law-making
  • • policy-making
  • • government decision-making
  • • government operations, including program and service delivery
  • • human resources management
  • • land and resources matters
  • • financial management including taxation and other revenues
  • • capital assets and other facilities
  • • intergovernmental relations.

There will be fundamental changes in the relationships among the community, regional and territorial levels of government. Responsibilities for law-making and for the delivery of several programs and services will change. Self-government agreements often involve systems for delivery of programs and services to all residents. The people we will hold accountable will consequently change. Governments will be required to consult more with each other and to coordinate and cooperate in their activities.

We have also been struggling to understand the practical issues surrounding implementation of self-government agreements. Again, the expression "implementation of self-government" can be misleading. Describing the evolution of a system of governance in this way can make it sound like a process that is done once or that can be completed in a specific time. By contrast we are unlikely to describe the political, economic and social processes that go on continuously in Canada as "implementing public government".

Government is simply the way we organize ourselves to achieve our common goals. Everyone is now talking about "partnerships", "stakeholder cooperation", "co-management", and "shared jurisdiction". We are all involved. We share responsibilities for finding common objectives and addressing competing interests.

We know that many people in many organizations and levels of government are thinking about these potential changes and are trying to find practical ways to manage a smooth transition. It is important to remember that change will occur over many years rather than completely and suddenly on a given date.

There was a time in the NWT and across Canada when communities were relatively self-sufficient and self-governing. One of the strongest trends of the 20th century has been the increasing involvement of many levels of government in virtually every aspect of our daily lives. How did this happen? One reason is that collectively we have chosen to organize ourselves in ways to improve the standards and conditions in which we live. Most of us now expect governments to deliver a broad range of important programs and services such as health, social services, education, transportation, housing and so on. If these roles and responsibilities are not carried out, we blame "government".

But again, who is the government? We are. In the NWT, with its small population and close-knit communities, the government is potentially every one of us, our friends and our neighbours. We, the residents of the NWT, make up all northern governments, whether it is the territorial government, bands, aboriginal councils, community governments, regional boards and agencies, and so on.

How can you help? In delivering this interim report, we want to encourage a full dialogue or conversation about how we can work together to make the NWT a better home for all residents. Most of us think we would do things differently if we were in charge, if we were the government. What would you change and what would you want to stay the same?

Imagine you have the opportunity and responsibility to make such choices...because in fact you do. This is what self-government involves, for all of us. Self-government agreements will place the emphasis back on the communities and the people. The futures of all NWT communities will be linked together even more closely than they are today. The new relationships that will develop among our northern governments will depend on our attitudes, and our relationships with each other.

Mr. Speaker, our committee welcomes your views on these important matters. That concludes the introduction to our interim report.

Motion That Committee Report 11-14(6) Be Received And Adopted By The Legislative Assembly, Carried
Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nahendeh, that the interim report of the Special Committee on Implementation on Self-Government and the Sunset Clause be received and adopted by the Legislative Assembly.

Motion That Committee Report 11-14(6) Be Received And Adopted By The Legislative Assembly, Carried
Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. We have a motion. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Motion That Committee Report 11-14(6) Be Received And Adopted By The Legislative Assembly, Carried
Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

Motion That Committee Report 11-14(6) Be Received And Adopted By The Legislative Assembly, Carried
Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Motion That Committee Report 11-14(6) Be Received And Adopted By The Legislative Assembly, Carried
Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Handley.

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a very special person in the gallery today and if you will bear with me, I'd like to say a few words about her.

Heather Crowe worked for 40 years as a waitress in different cities in Eastern Canada. For much of her career, she worked 60 hours a week to provide for herself and her daughter. Ms. Crowe has never smoked and never lived with a smoker but, as Heather herself says, "the air was blue with tobacco smoke where I worked."

Ottawa's 2001 bylaw banning smoking in workplaces including restaurants came too late for Heather. In the spring of 2002, she was diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer. In the fall of 2002, she was awarded compensation from the Ontario Workplace Safety Insurance Board that accepted her claim that lung cancer was caused by life-long occupational exposure to tobacco smoke. She's now the subject of a powerful Health Canada advertising campaign calling people's attention to the dangers of second hand smoke. Ms. Crowe has said, "I want to be the last person to die from second hand smoke at work." She is now doing volunteer work with Physicians for a Smoke-Free Canada actively campaigning to help create smoke-free workplaces everywhere in Canada. Along with Ms. Crowe, Mr. Speaker, are Neil Collishaw with the Physicians for a Smoke-Free Canada and also Shawn McCann, a public relations officer with the Workers' Compensation Board. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Welcome to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Colleagues, I would like to direct your attention to the presence in the visitors' gallery and in the Speaker's gallery of Margaret Bertulli from WCB; and, Dr. Andre Corriveau, the chief medical health officer of the Northwest Territories. Please welcome them.

---Applause

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, rarely do I have the opportunity to introduce someone in the gallery from the constituency of Inuvik Boot Lake. Today I have the privilege of introducing Mr. Brian Campbell and Mr. Brian McDonald.

---Applause

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Ootes.

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we all have people who work behind the scenes in our offices, not visible here in the Legislature. I would like to introduce someone today who is the daughter of Hilda Camirand; Andrea is visiting us today.

---Applause

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Andrea. Andrea and I used to share a lab table together in high school in science class. Also, Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize my constituents in their homes in Lutselk'e and Fort Resolution, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

I would like to take this opportunity again to welcome you all to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Question 228-14(6): Inuvialuit Concerns With The Wildlife Act
Item 7: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following my Member's statement on the Wildlife Act and the concerns raised by the Inuvialuit Game Council, I have questions to be directed to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Mr. Speaker, correspondence from the Inuvialuit Game Council raises a number of concerns. I know it's very recent correspondence, so the Minister probably hasn't had a chance to look at it, but the council's concern is about the processes used. The Minister did state that they had come up with what he felt was something that could move this along. So I would like to know from the Minister what has been put in place that would move this process along and would be satisfactory to all partners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 228-14(6): Inuvialuit Concerns With The Wildlife Act
Item 7: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Minister of RWED, Mr. Antoine.