Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Handley.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform the House that later today at the appropriate time I will table the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Report for the year 2002.

I am pleased to report that even with the steadily increasing movements of dangerous goods on our highways due to developments in the resource sector, the consistently low number and minor nature of dangerous goods incidents and the low numbers of summary offence infractions indicates that the trucking industry is moving potentially hazardous industrial cargoes responsibly and safely.

I would like to congratulate the NWT trucking industry for the obvious care it is taking in complying with the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act, 1990 and proving that significant resource industry development does not come at the price of compromising highway safety or damaging the environment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Lee.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues, for letting me speak first here. Mr. Speaker, earlier today in the Great Hall, we celebrated the life and achievements of five women who received 2003 Wise Women Awards from the NWT Status of Women Council. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize a recipient from the North Slave region, Florentia Dacanay, affectionately known to many as Flory. Flory passed away on December 31st and this award was nominated and given posthumously. Those who knew her well, hold her very much in their loving memory and they're grateful they can honour and celebrate her life through this recognition. Mr. Speaker, for many years now, this prestigious award has been given to women who are positive role models in their community and who are dedicated and committed to improving the lives of other women and families. Flory was certainly all of that and more. Flory did not seek a high public office or seek recognition for what she did. I am not even sure she knew how much people appreciated what she was to them, but when she took ill and passed away last December, her friends gathered by the hundreds to mourn and remember her and to express their appreciation.

Mr. Speaker, I believe every community needs and has an elder who is the mother or wise woman to that community and only special people who have the right character and strength can fulfil that role, someone who accepts you for who you are, who makes you feel safe from the dangers and hardships of everyday life, someone who gives you guidance to do the right thing, someone who is so proud of every little achievement you accomplish, someone who does it all with genuine love and care. Flory was one of those special people. Such a wise woman is even more dear to those who leave their homeland behind to make a new life in another country. Flory welcomed and helped many, many people make that transition, many of them who now make up Yellowknife's large and vibrant Filipino community. But it didn't really matter where you were from, Flory was there for everyone, even complete strangers, opening up her home to them, giving them a place to stay and treating them like a part of her own family.

Mr. Speaker, it was in recognition of her service that all seven Yellowknife MLAs submitted a joint nomination of Flory for this award. We were pleased when we learned Flory had been chosen and that the council received a flood of nominations for Flory from the rest of the community. This is just further proof of the impact Flory had on so many Yellowknifers. On behalf of everyone in this House, I would like to take this opportunity to extend heartfelt congratulations in memory of Flory to her loving husband Angel, her daughter Flair and son-in-law Jeff, and her grandson she was always so proud of, Jeremy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Handley.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, this is International Women's Week. I would also like to congratulate Flory Dacanay and the other recipients of the 2003 Wise Women Awards. As well, I would like to recognize all of the women who have received this award in past years. In particular I want to acknowledge those from Weledeh who have been nominated over the years and especially those who received the award in past years. These include Florence Erasmus in 1996; Arlene Hache in 1998; and, Ingrid Kritsch in the year 2000. As well as a way of respecting the tremendous work done by the nominees and the award recipients, the awards serve the important purpose of reminding everyone of the role we each can play in promoting the rights of all women, in fact all people of the Northwest Territories. I am proud to have had a part as an MLA in the adoption of the Human Rights Act and the commitments made in developing family violence legislation. Without the support of the NWT Status of Women Council and numerous other groups and individuals, this would have been impossible. We must all continue to cooperate on these real important initiatives that do make real differences to people's lives in every community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Delorey.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to address the topic of board governance. Mr. Speaker, I have thought long and hard about what board governance means and what it means to the people of the Northwest Territories. I have sat on a variety of boards during the course of my life. Mr. Speaker, it has always been my contention that it is truly a good thing when local people have control over their own destiny. Our local people are the best judges of the proper way to expand resources in their own communities.

Mr. Speaker, I feel we must, as a government, continue to recognize and applaud the efforts of these hard working people who continue to devote countless hours on our various boards. However, Mr. Speaker, we need to do more than applaud these dedicated board members. Our government needs to be diligent in providing these people with the tools they require to do their job. Mr. Speaker, a common theme I often hear from board members is they are unsure of exactly what their mandate is and exactly what their parameters are as board members. I believe it is imperative, Mr. Speaker, that board members are provided with adequate training by this government and receive a clear definition of what their roles and responsibilities are. Mr. Speaker, board members often say that they lack the training necessary to effectively carry out their task.

Mr. Speaker, it has always been my contention that boards of any agency are appointed by this government, by the government of the day, but that they should enjoy some autonomy and some sense of an arm's length relationship from government. Mr. Speaker, board members have to believe that they have the right to operate within their mandate without fear of repercussion. Mr. Speaker, I believe it sets a very dangerous precedent when board members from around the North are made to feel that if they come out against any government policy or direction, that they will be fired or replaced. This does nothing to instil confidence in this government for the people of the NWT. Mr. Speaker, I think it's time that we, as a government, decide what it is we want from our boards and do everything we can to give them the tools they need to do their jobs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I as well would like to speak about the boards and agencies that deliver programs on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, as a government, over the years we've devolved more and more authority to different boards and agencies across the Northwest Territories, we've asked them for input. We've required them to deliver services at a certain level, a minimum standard and Mr. Speaker, what we've heard from different groups across the Territories from time to time is they have difficulty delivering the programs and services that we ask them to do because of short staffing or under resourcing.

Mr. Speaker, I think we need to look at ourselves as the Government of the Northwest Territories. What are we going to look like in future years? What are we devolving out to the boards and agencies and what authority do we have, as legislators, on behalf of the rest of the residents in the Northwest Territories? How can we assure that those programs and services are being delivered at the level we have set out. Mr. Speaker, we talk about accountability when it comes to these boards and we've heard lots of talk about this third party accountability framework process but, Mr. Speaker, yet today there might be a document floating out there someplace but is it actually being used, is it being implemented to any degree?

No one can really tell us and that is the problem, Mr. Speaker, as we look down the road as a government, developing and evolving and self government tables are settled and we are coming to other claim processes and self government becomes a reality in the Northwest Territories. How are we going to, as the Government of the Northwest Territories, ensure that minimum standards are being met across the Northwest Territories, that residents get the quality education and health care that they deserve in the Northwest Territories.

So, Mr. Speaker, as a government, we have to start putting in place the pieces that will build a future and right now, Mr. Speaker, the puzzle is all over the place, the pieces aren't lined up and that could lead to some serious problems if we don't get our act together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lafferty.

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Braden.

Merci, Mr. Speaker. The idea of governing and governance is a big one and sometime in our lives all of us have to deal with it. That may be only to choose to go to the polls and cast a vote once in a while, maybe even choose a side or wave a banner in front of the Legislative Assembly and if you want to live on the edge, some people might even want to make a career of it. But it is a freedom and a right that many Canadians have fought and died for, to be able to have our say and participate in the way we are governed. Some might even say it's an obligation.

Mr. Speaker, I think everyone agrees with the idea that the decisions are best made as close as possible to the people who are directly affected. The same goes for managing and delivering public sector services. So, when we as a public government of the NWT establish boards or committees to help manage and set up systems that deliver our services, we are doing it with all the right intentions.

But over the past 30 years of building the governments of the old and the new NWT, I believe that we have lost a lot of the focus and the purpose and the benefit of creating governments at the local and regional level. Much to our discredit, Mr. Speaker, this legislature saw the spectacular destruction of one of our most senior corporate boards, the power corporation and the muffled extinguishment of the health system's most senior board, the Stanton, because government was not paying attention to its duty to govern.

Mr. Speaker, we've created dozens of panels, boards, committees, agencies, councils, associations and authorities, enough that the Department of Executive created a booklet to catalogue them all. Many of them exist only on the strength of a contract or mandate assigned by this government. Yet, in many cases, I don't think we have very much of an idea of whether or not they are fulfilling their mandates, of their accomplishments or their impact. In fact, Mr. Speaker, reporting or auditing of these agencies often focuses primarily on whether money was spent according to the rules and not on what really happened or what they deliver.

We should be committed, Mr. Speaker, not only to the idea of government getting value for money but to the idea that when we ask people to come forward to serve on our boards and agencies, they want to make a contribution that will be of value. They want to put their time and talents to the best possible use. My plea today is for our Government of the Northwest Territories to press ahead with an accountability structure for boards and agencies that will set out clear direction, enable people to deliver desired results, and report results and performance in ways that really will help us to better govern, in ways that are as close as possible to the people affected. Thank you. Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do have some concerns with respect to boards, more specifically with respect to the liability of board members who make decisions in the course of their duties. Most of the boards established by this government are made up of volunteers and training is very limited as to how to perform their duties. Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure if they get a full orientation of what their responsibilities are and what risks they take when they make the decision, especially if that decision has an impact on other people's lives.

Are board members liable for decisions that they make, Mr. Speaker? Some boards clearly have a provision that speaks to liability and the legislation that established them. For example, Mr. Speaker, I don't believe there is provision in the social assistance act that speaks to the liability of Members on the social assistance appeals board. Mr. Speaker, if there ever was a legal challenge to some of these decisions, are these people who serve as board members protected? Will they have to defend themselves in court or will the government pay for their legal costs?

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the government provides enough support and resources to these boards so they can investigate properly and obtain all the information necessary to exercise due diligence. Mr. Speaker, I'm not just talking about the minimum amount of funding to provide a service or hold a meeting. I mean enough money and departmental support to ensure that the decision made are based on all the facts.

Mr. Speaker, if the Government of the Northwest Territories establishes these boards, can the government be liable for breach of duty if we fail to properly support our boards? Mr. Speaker, I raise these issues today because I believe that if the government establishes a board, then the government has a responsibility to ensure that board can do its job properly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Bell.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to join my colleague in also talking about accountable governance and I would first like to start with a quote from the Auditor General of Canada, Ms. Sheila Fraser. She made this statement in an address to the school of accountancy at the University of Waterloo. On the subject of accountability, she said, Mr. Speaker, "accountable government requires that Members of Parliament be able to approve the governments' plans for spending and scrutinize the results of that spending" and I think it is very important to keep that in mind.

We know in our system, typically the business plans and budgets of government departments are presented in some detail to the standing committees. We review them, discuss them, debate them, certainly when the main estimates are tabled. The GNWT has also developed and established various boards, health and social services authorities, education authorities, local housing organizations and these assist in the delivery of programs and services on behalf of this government. It's important to keep in mind, Mr. Speaker, they are spending public money to achieve results.

In some instances such as the WCB or the NWT Power Corporation, two good examples, there is a provision made for legislative scrutiny because there is a requirement to table annual reports and audited financial statements. In other instances, Mr. Speaker, education and health authorities for example, respective departments show a line item for a contribution. There is no detail provided on how these entities plan to spend their money and there is no opportunity for the Legislature to scrutinize activities to see if results are being achieved. Mr. Speaker, presumably the Minister receives this detailed level of information. We know the Financial Administration Act requires it and requires that audited statements be provided.

Mr. Speaker, I think the key is people in the Northwest Territories believe that anybody delivering a government service is part of the government. Ultimately if people aren't happy with the service levels, they blame the Government of the Northwest Territories. The buck does stop here, Mr. Speaker. While responsibility and authority can be delegated to boards and other entities delivering programs and services on our behalf, the responsibility for the Legislative Assembly to approve and scrutinize public spending can't be delegated away. I think that's an important thing for us to keep in mind. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Nitah.

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Members today have spoken on the topic of using boards and agencies to deliver government programs and services and have raised a number of issues about the reasons why we use boards rather than government employees. Mr. Speaker, I would like to note that I almost always hear Ministers and Members talk about the need for regional representation on boards. That makes sense to me, particularly if the major reason for using boards is to bring regional input to the table. If that's the case, then should we not also expect that board members will account to the people of the region, since the role is much like of that of the MLA, although for a single purpose, to work on the board.

Mr. Speaker, we don't always seem to require this. In the accountability framework tabled by the Minister of Health and Social Services yesterday, health and social services trustees are accountable to the Minister, but have an obligation to answer to the people of their regions. Now, Mr. Speaker, "answerability" is not found in any dictionary in which I have managed to look. Thank goodness it is defined in the framework. But is that definition accepted by everyone?

Delegating responsibility for delivering services is quite common for governments. As long as the partnership is properly defined for both partners, these partnerships can be very useful, but, Mr. Speaker, there has to be a common understanding of the arrangements and responsibilities between the government organization and the partner organization. How authority is shared and an agreement clearly setting up the manner in which the parties will work cooperatively to achieve a public policy must be in place. My observation is we have done this best with education authorities. We have detailed legislation outlining roles, so trustees know their responsibilities. Trustees are elected, so they currently understand to whom they must be accountable.

Mr. Speaker, we need to consider the issue of accountability in more detail for boards that are appointed by the government. They are considerably different than arm's-length elected bodies. I think we must be careful not to create situations where Ministerial accountability is weakened by appointed boards, so that Ministers can shelter themselves from direct accountability to the Legislature by the actions of appointed boards.

Mr. Speaker, the increasing use of boards requires that we examine the questions that arise with respect to governance and accountability. We must soon debate and agree on the proper roles for government, departments, the Assembly, our board and agency partners and the public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Dent.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to give the report of the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight on boards, committees and councils.

Mr. Speaker, over the years, the Government of the Northwest Territories has come to rely on a growing number of boards, councils, authorities and other agencies to assist in the delivery of services to citizens. In some cases these bodies are advisory in nature; some provide direct management, while many have responsibilities somewhere in between.

Members are elected to some and appointed to others. Some entities have extensive legislation setting out their roles, specifying how appointments will be made, levels of service delivery and funding. There are varying degrees in the level of responsibility and delegation of authority. The residents who make up these various committees, councils and boards are mostly hardworking volunteers.

Citizens in the Northwest Territories, like the rest of Canada, expect to be consulted on issues affecting their lives and this often leads to the establishment of a committee structure.

It is always prudent to review major programs and services on a regular basis to ensure that the program aims are being achieved. The variety of committees, boards, and councils and their structures raises a number of questions. For example, how many total current structures are there? What is the make up of these entities? Are they funded to deliver programs for the GNWT? Are their roles clearly defined? Is there support for training, both for board members and staff? How is their performance measured and reported?

Should board members be appointed or elected? Whom do the board members represent? To whom are they accountable?

The committee is aware that through the government's corporate review and transition planning process, a task team has been established to review board structure. However, there has not been any public political debate on the government's underlying philosophy with respect to boards.

Today, during Members' statements, committee members will focus on the issue of board governance. A broad range of views will be presented as the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight has not taken a position with respect to the operations or future of the various committees, councils and boards. However, Members feel that a public debate would be timely. As this Assembly enters its last few months of operation, we would encourage the government to lead such a debate on the continuing and future role of committees, boards and councils. That concludes the report of the standing committee.

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, that the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight report on Board Governance Structure, be received. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The motion is in order. To the motion.

Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine.

Thank you. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Mr. Allen.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral questions asked by Mr. Delorey on March 3, 2003 regarding the costs of the harmonization initiative between the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the NWT Housing Corporation.

Since 1997, not including staff time and travel expenses, the amount spent on the harmonization initiative between the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the NWT Housing Corporation is $403,737. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 5, returns to oral questions. Mr. Allen.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Delorey on March 3, 2003 regarding the impact of the harmonization initiative on public housing clients.

Specifically, Mr. Delorey wanted to know the percentage of public housing clients that would see a decrease in their rent.

Mr. Speaker, of the 1,823 households that would see a change in their rent from harmonization, some 1,063 households would see a decrease in rent, or 58.3 percent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Lee.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a few people in the gallery that I would like to recognize today. They are here to partake in the ceremony of the Wise Women Awards and decided to join us today. I would like to first recognize Mr. Angel Dacanay, the surviving husband of Flory Dacanay.---ApplauseI have Sylvia Masongsong.---ApplauseRamon Masongsong.---ApplauseDambee Fontanilla.---ApplauseEstrella Sumcad.---ApplauseTina Rivera.---ApplauseGloria Reyes.---ApplauseDelia Weir.---ApplauseTess Arambulo.---ApplauseJudith Beltran.---ApplauseAllah German.---ApplauseAnd, Margaret D'hont.---Applause

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we have heard, there are many concerns about board structures, governance and accountability here in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, along with my Member's statement about where we might be in the future when it comes to board governance, I have questions about the accountability frameworks we are trying to develop and how that would work in the future when self-government discussions are concluded and implementation of those self-government agreements are put into practice. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Deputy Premier if there is a framework that's being developed by this government to work with the boards and agencies that deliver programs on behalf of our government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Deputy Premier inform us if all departments will be using that to unify the accountability framework or are they going at it department by department? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what then happens to the accountability framework that has been developed by departments, for example, Health and Social Services? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Final supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Deputy Premier inform us as to what timeline is given to this development? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Lafferty.

Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of that request. Once I am formally made aware of it, I will see the specifics of the request and look at it seriously, of course within the context of the recently initialled agreement and how we move ahead within the changing reality in the Tlicho region.

Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty.

Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand ready to continue to work with the Dogrib board that is currently there and the leadership in the communities. If there is a specific request for community-based boards, we will look at that within the broad context of some of the concerns raised in this House about how many boards we do have and exactly what their role and mandate will be in relation to the broader board that represents the whole region. Thank you.

Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty.

Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the board is accountable to me as Minister, but clearly it is responsible to the people in the region and I would expect that they would be bringing forward the concerns that they hear from the people, as they do when we come to the table for meetings. So if that issue is on the list and has to be addressed, we will sit down and meet with the board, we will meet with the leadership and we'll look at that.

Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty.

Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member wishes to invite me to the region to talk about setting up a board in Fort Rae, then I would be happy to meet and do that. I would consult with the leadership and the board and the chair and we would make every attempt to honour that commitment.

Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Braden.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a number of us spoke today about governance issues and I would like to ask about one we are really in the midst of right now and that is the realignment and the modernization of our business corporations specifically, Mr. Speaker. Something was started a couple of years ago to look at how to structure the government's business arms, namely the Business Development Corporation and the Business Credit Corporation to see how they could better do their work and we are anticipating that legislation will be coming forward, so that will enable this to happen by the end of our term.

We have seen - I think the announcement came out about a week ago - that Mr. Fred Koe has already been assigned to the task of performing the amalgamation of these two units, potentially with other parts of the business affairs of the GNWT. That seems to be almost backwards or in front of other steps that I would have thought truly should be in place. I wanted to ask the Minister for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine, why we are going about governance in this fashion? Why are we setting up the executive function of this when we don't even have the legislation in place yet? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary, Mr. Braden.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess it leads to another aspect of the whole governance equation, Mr. Speaker, in that it's assumed from my view that we are going to have a new board created to govern this new corporation. By my reading, I think that a number of the steps that would be assigned to Mr. Koe are steps that should be undertaken under the guidance of that new board. Obviously, we have to have legislation before we can create a new board. How are we reconciling the need for this corporation's new board to create the assignments and take the responsibility for Mr. Koe's actions? Thank you.

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary, Mr. Braden.

Are the existing boards closely connected with the direction that's been given to Mr. Koe? Do they have direct reporting and approval responsibilities for the steps that he's taking in this amalgamation? Thank you.

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Final supplementary, Mr. Braden.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there a plan of how this is all going to be carried out and a timeline that indicates what is going to happen and when? Mr. Speaker, could that be made available to the House and to the public?

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Item 7, oral questions. Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to continue with my theme of the week regarding harmonization. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Mr. Speaker, under this new initiative, all income will be considered as part of the calculation for rent and many things are going to be considered now such as income tax, child support payments, craft sales and even bingo. I am not sure how the Minister plans to enforce that. I would like to know if there is going to be a system to monitor that. Are we going to have bingo police roaming from town to town monitoring who wins bingo? How are we going to calculate that? There is no legislation in place to report that now. I would like to ask the Minister if he could tell me that, Mr. Speaker.

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the income support clients fill out their monthly reports, at which time they fill in the reports of the income they receive. That is the normal procedure that is normally used for assessing individuals on the amount of income support that they can receive, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

Mr. Speaker, it doesn't seem the Minister understands that harmonization doesn't only affect income support clients. It affects students, it affects multi-wage earners and seniors. How is he going to monitor? Is he going to have these forms available for everybody to declare? How is he going to enforce it? How is he going to monitor it? How is he going to verify it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, income support clients report to our offices on a consistent basis, on a monthly basis. Students receive their SFA funding on a semi-annual basis, but housing will be a responsibility of the Housing Corporation with regard to incomes for those areas, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it seems that this program will be based on an honour basis. I assume there will be no cost. Mr. Speaker, we have already given notice that this government spent $400,000 and we haven't done anything yet. We haven't implemented this program. Could the Minister indicate and confirm to me that there will be no additional cost to this government when it comes to monitoring? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from our perspective in Education, Culture and Employment on the income support side, we certainly don't anticipate any extra costs. As a matter of fact, we anticipate that by combining some resources here that we may be able to, in the long run, save some dollars. Thank you.

Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are not totally comfortable that we know all the different incomes that will be calculated in the rent for public housing now. Can the Minister provide a list? This is something that is going to be very difficult to monitor; Internet gaming, for example, lotteries, bingos, child support, babysitting. How is the Minister planning to monitor all those things if it's going to be totally on the honour system? What are the penalties?

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can certainly provide a list to the Member as he has requested. As I say, we monitor that on a monthly basis for income support clients. The Housing Corporation will do their monitoring for their specific purposes. Thank you.

Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Bell.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Deputy Premier or the House Leader, Mr. Speaker. According to the report of the auditor general of the Northwest Territories, Legislative Assembly, 2002, about 85 cents of each dollar of grants and contributions goes to health, education boards, municipalities and local housing authorities. The auditor general has also posed a question that I would like to pose to the House Leader. How does the government know it's getting the results that it wants? Thank you.

Minister of Finance, Mr. Handley.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government has been working for a number of years on accountability and each year we table a document called Towards Improved Accountability. It's through that document, that we are able to track our results. Thank you.

Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Wouldn't the Minister agree though that as far as scrutiny at this level, in this Legislative Assembly goes, it seems to be lacking in many areas? For instance, the Stanton board is one that comes to mind. It would present its budget to the Minister of Health and Social Services, but it's not something that would come before this Assembly except in a board contribution line. Wouldn't the Minister agree that there is a lack of accountability at this level when it comes to boards and other third party delivery agents? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister of Finance, Mr. Handley.

Mr. Speaker, there is certainly room for improvement in my view in the accountability of boards to the government. That is the one reason we continue to work on improving our performance and results measures. We encourage all government employees to participate and a high percentage of them do in training on performance measurement. We would like to see the same accountability applied to boards as well while respecting their roles and responsibilities and the authority that they have. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When it comes to appointed boards -- it's different for elected boards, I will acknowledge that - and the fact that many of those boards have no reporting requirement to this Assembly, to this House, oftentimes people, constituents and residents will allege that a Minister is running a board. What does the Minister of Finance say when people allege that any Minister is running a board? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister of Finance, Mr. Handley.

Mr. Speaker, different boards have different responsibilities. It goes further than just whether they are elected or whether they are appointed. We have some appointed boards that have a very clear mandate and a very clear responsibility. They have to have audited reports done on their business annually. So, Mr. Speaker, all of the results of the health boards are audited. Health boards, education boards, all boards have to account to us for the dollars we provide them with. It is different, Mr. Speaker, with regard to education boards where there is more distance between us and the boards. We provide them with a contribution. Thank you.

Final supplementary, Mr. Bell.