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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Again, for the record, the original estimates that were done did show, in fact, there was going to be a substantial increase from the old facility. The attachment provided to members shows that, for example, electricity, the units that they would use, 2.8 million kilowatt hours, as well as unit cost of that, the heating costs of 25,000 gigajules and the unit costs for that. What happened was the original estimate was done in 1999. It showed a substantial increase. As the facility came online, there was another estimate done using newer information, and it showed once again that the numbers were substantially higher; a $300,000 difference from the first estimate in 1999 to the 2003-04 year. Based on the concern that the numbers were continuing to change, direction was given to not use these estimates. These estimates were there, but the direction was given that they would not come forward for a request for more money until they could actually prove the hard costs. So until they had one full year of operation that showed actual costs for running the facility -- and that shows on the third one -- actual expenditures for 2003-04 were up to $1.6 million. The problem -- and it is not a problem, it is a matter of direction given to the health board -- was that they were not going to get any new money with estimates or not. They were going to use existing funds until they had actual costs. Once they had actual costs, then they would come and make their substantiation to the health board or to the Department of Health and Social Services and then to ourselves as FMB. So that was the understanding.

Again, for the record, just to clear the air, estimates were done, but they were not used as it was felt that the numbers had changed substantially, and we would rather just go ahead and come up with actual costs. Once they had the actual costs, then this process kicked into place of coming forward for more money. So I just want to be clear. There was not a missed estimation or an underestimation done. Estimations were provided and tracked as the project came online, but the feeling was do not go ahead on that basis. Use your existing dollars. Once you have the actual costs of the year, then come forward. That is why we are here now. Actual costs have been proven and brought forward. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. I have next Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. My request two days ago was to investigate the process which led to what could appear as a significant change in the figures. I want to thank the Minister for bringing forward and making that process very crystal clear that it was on the direction of FMB to work with the old numbers until actual costs were derived. This seems absolutely clear to me. I would suggest that we conclude the page then. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Okay. Thank you for that, Mr. Hawkins. I didn't hear a question there, so I won't ask the Minister to comment on it. So back on to page 10 of the bill. Health services programs, not previously authorized, $1.49 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. Thank you. Community health programs, not previously authorized, negative $855,000. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Could I get the Minister to explain why this money has been taken out of this budget? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, what happened here is that the original amount was approved under O and M. It is for capital work. It is being transferred over to the capital side, so it is just being registered as a negative here. It is not being taken away and the money reduced. It is being transferred to the capital program. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I understand, from the information, $350,000 of $855,000 is being used for office renovations, but I still don't have the information on the remainder of that $855,000. Could the Minister provide that, please? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. My understanding of the breakdown of those costs is as follows: there were some renovations done and some work; Fort Smith health authority had $60,000 for an office for community counselling program; Fort Smith renovations for a birthing room; Inuvik improvements to office space for a social worker, home care, public health nurse, community health representatives positions; and, in Yellowknife for office space for medical and support staff. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you. Unless I missed it, I heard $60,000, but I didn't hear the remainder of the dollar figures. May I have that, please?

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I will provide the numbers; sorry about that. The first one was $60,000 for health authority, Fort Smith, for the community counselling program. The birthing room was $90,000. Inuvik improvements to office space for positions were $355,000. Office space for medical and support staff was $350,000. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Community health programs, not previously authorized, negative $855,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. Thank you. Total department, not previously authorized, $635,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. Thank you. Justice, operations expenditures, registries and court services, not previously authorized, $422,000. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. May I just ask the Minister as to whether this is a yearly increase or is it something that comes periodically? How often does the commission review the salary of judges? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. It is every three years we end up going through this process. Thank you.