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The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Melhorn.

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Melhorn

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What that sentence means is that for example under insurance premium, that reflects only the cost of the insurance premiums and doesn't reflect the other costs of delivering the government's insurance program, which includes the salaries of the staff who administer the program and the other costs associated with that. Similarly to the bank fees or the short-term debt, it doesn't include the costs of the staff who do cash management.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Ms. Melhorn. Mr. Menicoche.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was just wondering where it would show up if it's an actual cost to the budget.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Mr. Minister.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That would show up on page 3-11 under compensation benefits for treasury, as well as there would be some of it included in the other expenses section, as Ms. Melhorn stated, and we will provide that detail. The majority of other expenses adds up to the $2.6 million on page 3-12. But on 3-11, it gives the wages and compensation benefits as highlighted on that page, then there would be some others included in other expenses. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On page 3-11, if we are still on that, the deputy minister mentioned that the details for $2.6 million is on the next page, but may I get a breakdown on the details on the difference between $3.1 million and $2.6 million? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Minister.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we will provide that information.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Treasury, operations expense, total operations expense, $4.472 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Page 3-15 of the main estimates, fiscal policy, operations expense, total operations expense, $818,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the fiscal policy area, the department's responsibility, among the many responsibilities, is to work out the formula financing agreement with Canada. An issue that dogged us over the last few years was trying to settle down, Mr. Chairman, the results of the national census and how that impacts federal transfer payments to the Government of the NWT. I wanted to take this opportunity to ask if that whole issue of how many people live in the Northwest Territories has finally been settled at least as far as it relates to the amount of revenue we get from Ottawa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Minister.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, that issue has been dealt with. We are not happy with the

under coverage, but we are happy that through our own exercise and providing those numbers to Ottawa that we actually increased the coverage and we are not under covered as much. To that extent, we feel we have done what we can. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I won't belabour the results, but at least we have something we can move forward on now. So that we can avoid this in the future, Mr. Chairman, have we talked to the folks at either the census office or Revenue Canada to see if we can sort out the criteria for this, so that we don't have these arguments about whether or not a community was counted accurately? This was a real frustration for us in the last government, Mr. Chairman. I think it caused us at least a year if not two of uncertainty in our financing situation with Ottawa. It was several millions of dollars that were at issue. If we can sort out how we do the counting, can we then arrive at more stability? Do we have that sorted out so that it won't happen again? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Minister.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have been working with Stats Canada to ensure that what happened in 2001 does not reoccur in 2006. So we have begun our discussions with Stats Canada in working with them to ensure that the under coverage that occurred in 2001 doesn't occur again. We are being proactive in working with them in how we feel the previous one didn't work for us. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to have the breakdown of other expenses of $147,000. If at all possible, I would like to have this read into the record, just to be clear. I am not looking for accounting for every dollar of what is planned under these other expenses areas. So I would like to know the general categories like the Minister mentioned earlier, such as travel, materials and supplies and computers. I am looking for approximate figures under whatever headings they are using. I could put every other department that is going to appear over the next 10 days that I will be asking this question on every other expense item and I would appreciate it if they would come prepared to have that read into the record. I understand if they are circulated afterwards we still get the information, but it's not the same as having it read into the record while we are debating the issue. So having given that notice, may I ask the Minister if he has a breakdown of other expenses at this time? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Minister.