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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I am pleased to present the proposed 2004-05 main estimates for the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. These estimates propose total operational expenses of $85.57 million for the coming fiscal year. This amount is slightly higher than last year's total of $85.51 million. Although $2.21 million has been proposed in new initiatives, representing a 2.6 percent increase, and more than $910,000 proposed for forced growth, a one percent increase, these amounts have been largely offset by $3.16 million in reductions to operations and travel expenditures, resulting in a minor overall increase.

The proposed capital infrastructure acquisition plan requests $2.2 million.

The proposed main estimates reflect the continuation of existing departmental initiatives to preserve and protect the environment, while fostering the sustainable development of both renewable and non-renewable resources.

I will now highlight the major initiatives that the department is undertaking in the coming fiscal year.

The protection of the environment for generations to come is a central priority of the department.

In the coming year, the department will implement the new regulations that govern the proper handling of used oil and waste fuels, which came into force in January. We will complete the development of an air quality code of practice for the oil and natural gas industry, and begin to draft two new environmental guidelines that address biomedical wastes and CFCs, chemical compounds that destroy the earth's ozone layer.

The department will also continue to work with the Government of Canada, territorial departments and agencies, communities, industry and the Arctic Energy Alliance to reduce our consumption of energy, control the emission of greenhouse gases and plan for the changes a warmer climate will bring.

We will provide up to $560,000 in contributions to this program area, an amount that is expected to leverage more than $1.5 million in federal project related funding over the coming year.

The 14th Legislative Assembly created the legislative framework for a broadly supported beverage container recovery program by passing the new Waste Reduction and Recovery Act. The department has allocated $1.078 million for the coming year to implement a territory-wide community-based deposit refund program.

This will reduce the number of beverage containers going to landfill sites, reduce litter, encourage conservation and reinforce a recycling ethic among NWT residents. Abandoned and contaminated mines and industrial sites are an unfortunate legacy of past development in the North. The department will continue to work to ensure that the parties responsible for past and future developments take proper closure and remediation actions.

In cooperation with the Government of Alberta, we are developing an integrated information management system to store and share wildlife population and habitat data. This will enable us to respond more effectively to information requests driven by resource development and to fulfill our wildlife and habitat stewardship responsibilities.

The western NWT biophysical study initiated in 2003-04 will continue to gather the baseline data needed to measure the impact of natural gas development on the land, air, water and wildlife.

Wildlife studies will be conducted to determine the health and status of endangered species such as Peary Caribou, other species including wood bison, moose, grizzly bears and woodland and barren ground caribou will also be studied. New and valuable knowledge of the Bathurst Caribou herd in the North Slave region will be gained through the implementation of the proposed Bathurst monitoring program.

The department has now implemented all of its planned program revisions in support of the trapping industry. Trappers in the NWT now receive the most comprehensive coverage available in Canada. We remain committed to promoting excellence in the trapping industry through investments in trapper training programs.

To continue our long-standing support of the commercial fishery in the Northwest Territories, we will provide more than $390,000 in industry support payments to defer costs and assist in the replacements of capital for our fishers.

We are currently monitoring the ongoing federal/provincial discussions on the outbreak of BSE in both Canada and the United States and I am pleased to report that we anticipate no specific negative impact on the NWT.

The department continues to support product and market development and food safety programs to enhance the territorial muskox harvesting and exporting industry. To meet this objective, the department will be looking to the agricultural policy framework agreement which we recently signed with the federal Department of Agriculture and Agri-foods.

Last summer, events in Inuvik, Norman Wells, British Columbia and Alberta demonstrated the impact that forest fires can have on our communities.

RWED, in partnership with Municipal and Community Affairs, has developed the capacity to crate map products for land use and fire management planning. When complete this year, the maps and the associated data currently collected will provide the foundation for a comprehensive approach to community protection in the NWT.

Plans to minimize the risk to our communities will require the coordinated participation of several agencies, including the emergency measures organization, office of the fire marshal, RWED and MACA, as well as the active involvement of communities and land owners. Several communities are now in a position to develop comprehensive local plans and RWED will continue to support this important local process.

Fuel-type maps for the entire NWT will be completed during the coming year improving our planning and decision-making process through fire growth modelling and fire behaviour forecasting. This initiative will also develop a better understanding of forest regimes to help in assessing long-term effects on forest ecology. A pilot project to develop a more cost-effective and timely way to collect forest inventory information will be completed in 2004.

Information on the extent, nature and productivity of the forest resource is essential to determine the impact of resource development on forest vegetation and wildlife habitat. Forest surveys including establishments of permanent monitoring plots are important for tracking these changes over time, as well as the impact of climate change on forest landscapes. This information is also important to ensure all forest development undertaken is sustainable.

The Northwest Territories is a major tourist destination for visitors from around the world. The department will continue to work with NWT Arctic Tourism and the Canadian Tourism Commission to market the Northwest Territories as a prime, four season tourist destination providing the NWTAT a total of $1.8 million to fund their operations and marketing efforts on behalf of the NWT tourism industry.

New and attractive products are vital to a healthy tourism industry. This year, we have budgeted $375,000 to help develop new tourism products and concepts that will help this industry develop more fully. We have also invested $45,000 in a creative partnership with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to help train NWT residents for meaningful careers in tourism.

The Government of the Northwest Territories, through RWED, will continue preparing for the construction of the proposed Mackenzie Valley pipeline, including the negotiation of a socioeconomic agreement that will ensure that the residents of the Northwest Territories receive their fair share of the benefits.

We will continue to support the Aboriginal Pipeline Group, who last year reached an historic agreement with the Mackenzie gas producers to become full equity partners in the pipeline. The APG will receive $250,000 for administrative expenses from the GNWT in 2004-05, a level of support that will continue for the next six years.

A preliminary information package for the pipeline was submitted to the National Energy Board in June 2003 and the first regulatory application was filed in December. The project is expected to move to a joint environmental

impact assessment panel review later this year. RWED will lead the GNWT's participation in this review.

The department has provided funding to aboriginal organizations for the past three years to assist them in building their capacity to deal effectively with oil and natural gas development in the NWT. The department's contribution last year was $360,000. The same amount will be provided in 2004-05.

Through the private sector partnership fund, the department will continue to provide funding for on-the-job training in the oil and natural gas industry, as well as in mining, tourism, construction and other priority areas. Total funding for this initiative in 2004-05 will be $500,000.

The department will continue to play the leading role in providing technical support for the GNWT, as it lobbies against the proposed floor price subsidy for Alaskan gas in the proposed energy bill by the United States Congress.

We will also work to resolve the issue of regulatory authority over the Alberta pipeline system in order to ensure northern gas can be shipped to market in an efficient, economically-favourable manner.

In addition, we will continue to play an active role in the negotiation of devolution from the federal government to regulatory authority, especially as it relates to the disposition of the rights of the NWT's mining and oil and natural gas resources.

Much of the economic growth the Northwest Territories has enjoyed in recent years can be attributed to our burgeoning diamond industry. With two diamond mines in production, we are now the third largest producer of rough diamonds in the world.

As De Beers proposed Snap Lake mine completes its permits and licensing process, the department is working to conclude a socioeconomic agreement with that company. We seek an agreement that will maximize jobs and opportunity in the Northwest Territories.

We are also negotiating, on behalf of the GNWT, an environmental agreement with the federal government and De Beers that will establish the means by which the environmental impact of the Snap Lake development will be monitored and mitigated throughout the life of the mine.

With the opening of the Tiffany-owned Laurelton facility, there are now four factories employing a total of almost 150 people. Our government certification program, the only one of its kind in the world, provides a significant marketing opportunity for these factories. New opportunities in jewellery and in diamond-related tourism are also being explored.

With the federal, provincial and other territorial governments, we are working to create a national diamond strategy. When implemented, the strategy will provide the basis for a truly national approach to exploration, mining, production of rough diamonds, polished diamonds and jewellery, as well as retail and tourism opportunities related to the industry.

Small business is a major contributor of our economy, and we are encouraged that manufacturing shipments from the NWT grew from $15.3 million in 1998 to $43.6 million in 2002.

Our government will continue to promote manufacturing opportunities in the NWT. In response to the recommendations of the Business Advisory Panel, we expect to release the new NWT manufacturing strategy later this year. This strategy will focus our efforts on pursuing an innovation strategy that fosters the development of products and processes that respond to northern needs and opportunities; promoting the use of northern-manufactured goods in the negotiation of socioeconomic agreements with major resource development companies; and providing financial assistance to venture that undertake value-added processing.

With the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, we have published a response to the Arts Strategy Advisory Panel Report. Both departments will carry out immediate initiatives and conclude a more comprehensive strategy to guide future initiatives.

In conclusion, Madam Chair, the main estimates of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development clearly show how we intend to preserve and protect our natural heritage and promote sustainable economic development that will benefit all the residents of the Northwest Territories. These estimates reflect our best effort to strike a balance between these two important objectives and to do so in a way that is prudent and cost-effective. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bell. At this time I'll ask the chair of the Governance and Economic Development committee, Mr. Delorey, if he would like to make comments on the committee's review of the departmental estimates.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development met with the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development on February 20, 2004, to review the draft 2004-2005 main estimates.

RWED promotes economic self-sufficiency through the sustainable development of natural resources and enhances the creation of sustainable opportunities in the traditional and wage economies. RWED also promotes sustainable development through the management and protection of the quality, diversity and abundance of our natural resources and the integrity of the environment.

Development Of The Renewable Resource Sector

The standing committee continues to be concerned with the convoluted regulatory process affecting the renewable resource sector. The barriers to development seem to be increasing and becoming more cumbersome, rather than decreasing. The committee encourages the department to identify all of the regulatory processes and simplify them where possible. The committee will continue to monitor this issue.

The committee would also like to see RWED develop marketing initiatives for the fishing, forestry and the harvesting of animals and animal products like wolves. RWED should assist communities in developing their natural resources. The committee proposed that renewable resources officers for instance could have an

expanded role and perform more developmental and educational tasks. The committee looks forward to an update on progress in this area and at the time of draft business plan reviews.

As an example of how this sector has been neglected over the years, the committee is aware that a healthy bison lake at Hook Lake has been established and is growing, but there does not appear to be any plan for the future of that herd. The committee urges RWED to address this gap.

Economic Diversification

The committee was concerned that oil, gas and mineral development might overshadow the smaller industries in the communities, such as arts and crafts, hunting and trapping, tourism, fishing, forestry and agriculture. Members are pleased to hear the department strongly supports diversifying economies within the regions and hopes to see actions associated with their comments.

The committee was also concerned about support for the manufacturing industry in the NWT. The Minister replied that RWED is currently preparing a response to the report prepared by the Business Advisory Council on manufacturing and value-added industries. The committee looks forward to reviewing the department's response in this report.

Legislation

Travel And Tourism Act

The standing committee commented that the tourism industry for quite some time has been waiting on regulations which when revised will allow them to go to a one-licence system. Currently there are two licences for the outfitters licence and the tourism establishment licence that are required. The committee was pleased to hear that these regulations will be brought in September.

Waste Reduction And Recovery Act

The standing committee inquired as to the status of the beverage container recovery program. The committee was pleased to hear that RWED expects to have this program up and running for September of this year, after the regulations have been developed and stakeholders have been consulted.

Species At Risk Act And The Wildlife Act

The standing committee was pleased to learn that RWED expects to table the Species at Risk Act later this spring and also hopes to table the new Wildlife Act in the fall.

NWT Business Development Investment Corporation

In 2003-04 there were plans to combine the NWT Development Corporation and the Business Credit Corporation to form a new NWT business development investment corporation. These institutions are responsible for managing the business development fund, small business grants, community transfer initiatives and the community futures program.

However, the NWT Business Development Corporation and the NWT Development Corporation are still separate entities. The 14th Assembly did not have time to consider legislation needed to amalgamate the two corporations. The department reports that legislation is pending and could probably be introduced in June. The department also intends to do more work on the structure of the programs to be delivered by the corporation. The standing committee has written to RWED requesting a presentation on the initiative as soon as possible. The committee is disappointed that the department delayed the presentation on this very important issue until after conclusion of this session. If this initiative is to proceed, the committee expects to see cost savings and a streamlining of programs through a single-window delivery model. The committee is also looking forwarding to discussing how this new institution might further foster investment in the Northwest Territories and what the possibilities are for incorporating a credit union act.

Pipeline Unions

Some Members have heard that in Calgary is being said that anyone who wants a job in pipeline construction would have to meet union standards. Members are concerned northern workers could be excluded from the benefits of a pipeline construction and wants to see them have access to all positions both at the senior and entry levels.

The committee was pleased to hear the department is working with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment on a certification and training program. The department also indicated it will take this issue under consideration in negotiating socioeconomic agreements. The committee would like to urge the government to seek legally-binding obligations in this area, given the importance of northern workers having access to pipeline jobs.

Assistance To Northern Communities

Members have observed that communities do not always seem to have information about what resources are there to help them take advantage of oil and gas opportunities. Industry in some cases is not recognizing that there are land claim agreements in place that have to be respected. Communities are frustrated because they do not have expertise internally to make presentations and submissions at the many regulatory hearings and to negotiate with industry on a level playing field.

Committee would like to recommend that the ministerial lead joint committee be set up to raise the viability of the government's initiatives that will help communities realize the benefits from the pipeline.

With regard to the Mackenzie Valley development project, committee noted that an ADM-level position heads up this initiative for RWED but does not appear on the organizational chart. The committee recommends that this position and associated resources be relocated from Yellowknife to a community such as Fort Simpson or Inuvik that is actually on the pipeline route.

New Positions

The department has a director of informatics positions. The department explained that the reason for the creation for this position is to support the implementation of the knowledge management strategy and the development of RWED's informatics strategy plan. RWED has also consolidated information management and information system resources by amalgamating the information

systems section and the NWT Centre for Remote Sensing into the informatics division. RWED has also moved its records management position into this division.

The committee would like to recommend, in order to save costs that these functions could be further consolidated under systems and communications, Department of Public Works and Services.

NWT Arctic Tourism

This year's main estimates propose that the NWT Arctic Tourism will again receive $1.8 million in funding. Members noted this organization has not seen an increase in their funding for quite some time. The Canadian Tourism Commission has changed the way it is marketing and this may force the NWTAT to increase expenditures for advertising the NWT. The committee is pleased that RWED is aware of this situation and will continue to monitor it.

The committee is also pleased to hear that RWED supports this organization and also thinks that it does a good job. However, the committee is concerned that the NWTAT has only four staff members, and suggests that RWED review the function of their parks and tourism division for duplication of services and perhaps relocate resources to the NWTAT.

Arctic Energy Alliance

Members question the value for money of funding this organization and were concerned that there was a duplication of services between this organization and that of the Power Corporation. Members would like to recommend that if there is duplication of services, that perhaps the funding for this organization could be transferred to the Power Corporation.

Fire Suppression

The department tenders fire suppression contracts on a region-by-region basis. The committee asked the department if costs could be saved by tendering territorially. The committee also asked what would the cost difference between tendering regionally and tendering territorially be to the end product. The department responds that there are no cost savings to be had by changing how fire suppression helicopter contracts are tendered. The tenders are public tenders, open to qualified helicopter operators across the Territories.

RWED does not tender for multiple rotary wing aircraft. An individual tender is for the supply of an individual helicopter based at a specific location for a number of days and hours per season. However, the terms of the contract require that a helicopter be operated anywhere in the Territories or in Canada under the mutual aid resources sharing agreement.

In the 2004 fire season, RWED will have five contracts in place for helicopter services on a long-term basis. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. Before we proceed with general comments, I will ask Minister Bell if he would like to bring witnesses into the Chamber.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I would.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. Thank you. I'll ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to bring Mr. Bell's officials in.

Mr. Bell, for the record, could you please introduce your witnesses.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. With me today I have the deputy minister of RWED, Peter Vician, and the director of corporate services, Jim Kennedy. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Welcome. At this time I will ask the committee if there are any general comments on the Department of RWED. Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm sure that the Minister has anticipated the comments I'm going to make and it's fairly lengthy. Just to address some of the key questions that I was indentured by my constituency to respond to. I will certainly try to put them in the proper context, Madam Chair.

The very first sentence on development of the renewable resource sector puts it into proper context, that the standing committee continues to be concerned with a convoluted regulatory process affecting the renewable resource sector. Certainly we feel that there are a number of them that cause us great concern as we develop a better understanding of the regulatory process. Certainly, I'll say this further, with our constituents the level of investment in the regulatory process rather than a practical application of harvesting methods and trying to develop worldwide markets for big game hunting and certain species, we feel there is an abundance in the population. Also the methodology in trying to collect certain animal parts. I'll use the qiviut, for example, in trying to introduce new methods of combing it off which was at one time deemed to be inhumane, but in practice it isn't because they do already take large herds of muskox on long journeys and that should be used as an example of being non-inhumane.

I think being an advocate for diversification of our small-scale economies in our small communities, we need to really look at how we can assist individuals to become economically self-sufficient, Madam Chair. I want to say that I'm pleased to hear that the Minister, in earlier discussion with myself, had indicated his support to change the philosophy of the department, where there's less emphasis on enforcement and more into the renewable resource sector. So it brings me to the point where I think we really need to emphasize that in terms of modelling the staff, we need to look at resource economists that would help the communities change the way they approach wildlife and also wildlife harvesting, and put more into the commercial end rather than into the domestic harvesting levels. We need to look at taking people...If I can use a case in point in my discussions in one of my trips to Alaska, they said that we need to look at our Dahl sheep and look at the breeding stock. We need to harvest the older rams so the young rams can become breeders. One person said that if the conditions that people were concerned about the level of if somebody

failed, then they suggested rather than having to expend a lot of time and money trying to train guides, allow the hunters to bring in guides and that would mitigate any concern that the hunter may have in terms to trying to identify what is a prize animal.

So those are some of the things that we look at very closely in terms of development of the renewable resource sector. There are other things that I'm glad the Minister made reference to in his opening comments with regard to putting more resources into the commercial fishery. As you know, the Mackenzie Delta, under my inquiry, the fishery people had indicated that there is a quota for the Mackenzie Delta for 66,000 kilograms. Although it doesn't equate to very much in terms of overall revenue, it would still help the trappers and the harvesters to generate some income on a seasonal basis. They could supplement that with other renewable resource sector industry participation.

Certainly we're very, very concerned with regard to the regulatory process, and I am pleased to see that the dialogue has been continuing between myself and the department on what we feel is with the chronology of events that we need to talk about how we could help speed up the process that would give our investment community greater comfort in trying to resolve what we see as some delays. Again I refer to specific hard copy information. I go back to the March 12th NewsLine where the Premier states that he's back from the energy conference, telling where the pipeline project has been discussed. Apparently there was some dialogue between he and the Yukon Premier. In the final sentence it says, "Handley says that if Alaska pipeline goes first, there likely won't be much need right now, at least for the Mackenzie Valley line." Subsequent story lines certainly give us some concern.

I wanted to make reference to another issue that's of a similar nature on the same date, Mackenzie Valley pipeline environmental assessment. Again it talks about the criteria for Imperial Oil's environmental impact statement. Further down, March 19th, "A spokesman for Imperial Oil says delays in the regulatory process could delay a proposed Mackenzie Valley pipeline." Madam Chair, as I stated in my oral questions to the Minister today, this certainly alludes to the uncertainty as we deal in the context of the regulatory process. I want to give my constituents the comfort, especially the investment community, that the department will continue to work on behalf of its residents and asserting that we do need to be on top of the game here. I'm still trying to convince the public that we need to work diligently within the regulatory process. I think that was one of the main reasons that I questioned much of our constitutionality in the past, that I'm not certain that no matter how much of an effort we make in trying to make the regulatory process more progressive and deal more in timelines, it's out of our bailiwick. So I think we need to, as a government and as an assembly, take a very aggressive approach to reaffirm where we stand in terms of having influence over the regulatory process. I'm not here to debate the issue. I think we're trying to be helpful in making public knowledge that we have a functional role to play as a government and as an assembly. That is critically important for ourselves and we need to take a collective approach.

There are other more minor issues I will raise throughout the evening, but I just wanted to confirm what I stated in my reply to the opening address and how it affects my riding and the mandate they have given me to go forward with the Mackenzie Valley pipeline issue, and I am prepared to deal with my fellow colleagues throughout the Mackenzie Valley to ensure that we are well represented and our issues are taken into consideration.

In closing, Madam Chair, we are on the exploration side of the pipeline issue and I still need to advocate, at some point later on, that our investment in the exploration centre is well represented, and certainly I will be asking the Minister specific details as we go through line by line. With that, I conclude my opening comments. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Allen. I didn't hear any questions there. It was more of a comment to the Minister, which general comments technically are supposed to be. Did you want any kind of response from the Minister or can we move on to the next person?

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

I indicated that those would be my comments and I will ask questions later on.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Very good. If everybody did that, we would proceed here fairly quickly. Next on the list for general comments I have Mr. Menicoche.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. I have a few comments on that with regard to the Nahendeh riding, which I represent. I am pleased that the department is striving to do their best to help us prepare for the pipeline and all the benefits it will bring. I just have to keep pressing the point that we have to make some movements because the government's policy is we want the pipeline and we are going to complete this socioeconomic agreement, but back home at a local level, we are espousing all of these philosophies and these ideals that we are going to do, yet there is nothing happening. We are saying we are supporting a pipeline, but at the local level it just doesn't appear to be happening. Right now, I am supportive of the proposed pipeline committee. This committee will address many of the concerns of the Nahendeh riding and concerns of government and how to best implement all the issues that are going to be there. I wonder what the immediate plans are of the pipeline development office.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you. The Member is referring to the Mackenzie Valley development planning division that we have internally, and much of its work at this point surrounds being the lead agency and coordinating departments' efforts to bring ECE and MACA and other government departments and other agencies together as we move forward as we try to plan for this development.

As I mentioned earlier in the House today in reference to Member Groenewegen's questions, we see the need to be out in front on this file. Obviously we don't want this to pass us by. There certainly is a need to be coordinating with local communities, with First Nations governments and also with the federal government, the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs.

We've also been working closely with the Aboriginal Pipeline Group. The Member knows we proposed to continue our funding for that group. This is a development we are getting a lot of feedback about in that it seems to be one of the first major significant projects of its scope and nature that would have full aboriginal ownership and partnership. I think this is something quite monumental and at times may not understand how significant this is, but I think this bodes very well for the future of this development. I think it will be a blueprint for future developments in the Northwest Territories and I hope indeed across the country.

So I hope to continue to communicate with other departments and provide support on behalf of this government. I certainly look forward to working with my colleagues on the joint committee to provide some overall strategic direction to the government in terms of how we best meet the needs and how we best equip ourselves to be out in front as this pipeline comes to fruition. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Menicoche.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. With reference to the Minister's opening statement, he mentioned about the negotiation of a socioeconomic agreement with regard to a proposed Mackenzie Valley pipeline. I am just wondering to which group was the government going to negotiate. Can the Minister answer that?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Our government has negotiated something called a protocol agreement with the Mackenzie Valley Producers Group, and we are negotiating that on behalf of all NWT residents. From that protocol agreement, there are a number of other agreements or sub-agreements that will flow. In fact, the parties involved have identified 10 agreements or arrangements that are likely to flow from that overarching protocol agreement. There are such things as socioeconomic agreements, environmental agreements, quarries, highways, airport operations, utilities and that has to do with pipeline routing, some public road right-of-ways, improvements to infrastructure including transportation infrastructure and also federal Commissioner's land lease and permit processes, use of local government infrastructure, use of hydroelectric infrastructure and fiscal assurance. So there are a number of sub-agreements that flow from this protocol agreement. The socioeconomic agreement is obviously very significant and important, but there are other agreements as well.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Menicoche.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. In further reference to the opening statement, as well, is the government is contributing to the training with the oil and gas industry. As well, there are other opportunities through our Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Will the Minister be in a position to speak on any coordinating efforts of our government as a whole? I am kind of leaning towards there being all this funding and opportunities. I was wondering if the government has looked at consolidating all the government's pamphlets or booklets that it will distribute to the communities and regions. I don't know if the Minister can answer that for me at this point.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Certainly our department is coordinating primarily with ECE and Minister Dent to make sure the maximizing northern employment program that currently exists can be used to meet the needs of local people in terms of getting oil and gas training. It's something we've had ongoing for a number of years. This department is the lead for the private sector partnership fund that works with private sector industry who are looking to develop capacity and expertise in order to be ready for this industry. There are a number of training and development initiatives under MNE, or maximizing northern employment. We are working very closely with the Department of Education in that regard. You make a very good point about the consolidation of our efforts, the consolidation of our message, speaking from the same page and with one voice on oil and gas training. There will be, I believe, a number of federal pots of money that we can either access ourselves as a government or help aboriginal governments or communities access, but there is going to have to be one window and one point of contact for much of this information as we try to disseminate it to communities. I certainly take the Member's point, and I think that it's a very productive suggestion and just the kind of suggestion I am hoping will come from our joint Minister/regular Member committee as we sit down to provide overall strategic direction for this initiative. Thank you.