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Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Issues And Concerns
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, too, would like to speak about something different than what I had planned to speak about. I, too, listened with interest as the phone-in show proceeded on CBC Radio this morning. As a matter of fact, I took the opportunity to call in and offer my opinion as well. I believe that my opinion on the Mackenzie Valley pipeline has been very consistent and I have been saying the same things as many Members of this House have been saying. We had a theme day devoted to this topic and each of us spoke very passionately about some of the issues around the Mackenzie Valley pipeline.

The question posed was are we ready for a Mackenzie Valley pipeline. My answer to that question was I wish we were, but the truth of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of outstanding issues. They were outstanding in 1977 when Thomas Berger concluded his findings after his extensive consultation with the communities. The areas that he identified, many of which today, unfortunately, are still outstanding. So there's a lot of excitement about the numbers and about the benefits and some of the things that we could realize in the North as a result of a pipeline.

When we talk about thousands of jobs or millions of dollars and trillions of cubic feet of product, it all sounds really exciting, but the bottom line of it is that there's nothing in it for the Northwest Territories and for our people on a sustainable basis for generations to come. Then, no, it's not worth it. Mr. Speaker, it is our job, I realize, as a government, to get the attention of the people who are involved in this, and I believe that we have been trying to do that and we will continue to try to do that. But, as of today, the issue of royalty sharing with aboriginal public governments has not been addressed. The issue of the environment and protected areas has not been addressed. The issue of the settling of land claims along the pipeline route has not been addressed.

It would do well, I think, for industry and business, who are poised to benefit from this, to join forces with northerners to help us ensure that we do get ready in time to benefit from this. It would do well for them to be our partners in this.

Mr. Speaker, just in closing I'd like to say that the constituents and the businesses of my riding are poised to benefit from this, but we have a very big job ahead of us

as a government to ensure that the benefits are there for northerners, because I'll say again that the non-renewable resources of the lands of the NWT are not there for the taking at any cost and I'll have questions for the Premier on this. Thank you.

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Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Issues And Concerns
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Congratulations To The Tlicho People
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to say congratulations to the Tlicho people. As a former negotiator of the Sahtu land claims, I understand the hard work that goes into putting together an historical agreement such as the Tlicho deal and the aspirations of the people. I was thinking about it this morning, Mr. Speaker, in terms of the people who passed away during the negotiations, and the hard work they put into helping their people. Some of them have given their life to this deal here. I heard it this morning, I heard about the tea dancing and I felt something inside me that made me feel proud that people have really moved a long way since the '60s and the '70s, and the Dogrib, the Tlicho, are showing us and other groups in the Northwest Territories.

I'm really pleased to hear Mr. Handley congratulate them and I join Mr. Handley in his congratulations, and the work that the MP is doing in Ottawa and also our Senators and also to Grand Chief Rabesca for holding the vision together along with the other leaders in the Tlicho communities and the elders who are our guiding force in putting this deal together. We go back to our elders time after time to ask what kind of direction are we doing this, is this okay, and they always reassure us that it's going to be okay. So I wanted to say a heartfelt congratulations to all the Tlicho people and I think they are also the Sahtu's best friends, along with the Gwich'in and Inuvialuit. Mahsi cho.

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Congratulations To The Tlicho People
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Congratulations To The Tlicho People
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll rise today to do a small, simple statement, which will send my congratulations to the Tlicho people on their act being passed by the Senate. Yesterday I received a phone call just minutes after the Opposition Party, the Conservatives, had put forward a strong motion and an unusual motion by saying well, the people are here, they've made such a long trek down to Ottawa and this is the peoples' bill, so let's do it today. I got this phone call from Ottawa and you could hear the cheering and the tea dancing in the Parliament Building. It was a fantastic opportunity to hear good government at work. So I went to Mr. Zoe right away to make sure he knew, and the first thing Mr. Zoe said to me is am I pulling his leg. I told him that I heard it was going to be signed in a couple of minutes by the Governor General, and Mr. Zoe again looked at me and said you're just joking. So it was a fantastic moment to hear people on my cell phone. I showed Mr. Zoe my cell phone and you could hear how exciting it was that the people down there were dancing.

So I just want to say this is a good day for the Northwest Territories. It was certainly a good day for the Government of Canada to work for the people of Canada. I want to just extend my congratulations to all the people of the North in seeing the good work that's being done. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Congratulations To The Tlicho People
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

Concerns With Market Housing Initiative
Item 3: Members' Statements

February 10th, 2005

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under the market housing initiative that we heard the Minister of Finance speak of yesterday, there's supposed to be six housing units going to Rae-Edzo. We also know, Mr. Speaker, from the budget speech, that there will be a new three-person public health unit set up for the Tlicho region effective April 1, 2005. The problem is, Mr. Speaker, there are no places for any of these public health unit staff to stay, never mind any other new teachers, health care workers or government employees. I am not even sure the six units will be enough to meet this year's demand, but at least it's a start.

You can imagine my frustration, Mr. Speaker, when I find out that the NWT Housing Corporation has not even talked to Municipal and Community Affairs or even the Hamlet of Rae-Edzo on obtaining the necessary land to put these units on. As far as I am concerned, Mr. Speaker, the land acquisition issue should have been dealt with prior to now, so that a tender on a housing package could be issued for an April closing.

Mr. Speaker, I am getting questions from my constituents on the status of these units and will be asking them of the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation at the appropriate time. Mahsi.

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Concerns With Market Housing Initiative
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member's statement I spoke about the fact that the NWT Housing Corporation has not yet dealt with the land acquisition for the six housing units that are going into Rae-Edzo for the second year of the market housing initiative. Community leaders are concerned, Mr. Speaker, and rightly so, that if last year's performance is any indication, it may be early winter by the time the Housing Corporation manages to get those units ready for occupancy. Can the Minister tell me when the corporation will acquire the necessary land for these units? Thank you.

Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. The Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, the Honourable Mr. Krutko.

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Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the approval of land in Rae-Edzo, we are presently in the process with MACA to develop and forward an application, but we are also in discussions with a private businessperson to see if there's a possibility of expanding this to just, say, 12 units. So we are in discussions with a private entrepreneur to look at the possibility of getting the private sector involved in this project so we can try to get more units into Rae-Edzo. Like you've mentioned, there is definitely going to be a demand for more units and it's good to hear that the Tlicho agreement has passed because you are definitely going to need a major role building capacity to deliver your claim and also to deliver programs and services. So, again, we are in the process of working with MACA, but we are also in discussion with someone in the private sector to joint venture on the possibility of expanding this program from six units to, say, 12 or even 20. Thank you.

Return To Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe.

Supplementary To Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me his timeline for those discussions that he just mentioned? How soon would they be concluded? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Krutko.

Further Return To Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, probably one of the most crucial timelines we have to pass is get this budget through the House because the money is in the budget. So we have to get that approval in order to make that expenditure, but also we are in the process of talking to MACA and also talking to the private sector to develop this program. So once I get some timelines I will be sharing that with yourself, as a Member, to keep you involved in where we're going. But, as it sits right now, it's all based on the approval of the budget.

Further Return To Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Question 362-15(3): Market Housing Initiative In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Premier today and it's in follow-up to my Member's statement with respect to the Mackenzie Valley pipeline. Mr. Speaker, numerous people commented this morning. I was one of the ones who commented. I understand the Premier heard my comments on there. I have concerns; I think I've raised those concerns fairly consistently. I hope they are not interpreted to mean to anyone that I don't support the Mackenzie Valley pipeline and I hope that in my constituency no ill will would be felt towards my constituency for that, because I believe that they are legitimate questions that need to be answered. So I'm going to pose the question to the Premier this morning. Is the Northwest Territories ready for a Mackenzie Valley pipeline? Thank you.

Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. The honourable Premier, Mr. Handley.

Return To Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, no, we are not ready today for the pipeline. We've got a lot of work to do over the next 18 months/two years, however long. We've got a lot to do. I think it's incumbent on all of us here and leaders outside of this Chamber, municipal leaders, aboriginal leaders, federal government, for all of us to work together to get ready. We have a short time frame. We need to get ready but, to answer the question, I would agree we are not ready today. At the same time, if someone had asked the Tlicho if they were ready to sign their agreement six months ago, they would have said no, we are not ready, but they were ready yesterday. They got there and we will get there with the pipeline. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A fairly direct question then to the Premier with respect to one of the things on one front for sure we are not ready for, and that is on this government and the northern governments being in a position to share in the immense royalty revenues that will be generated for the federal government. We are not in a position to share in those. If, when it comes time to start constructing a Mackenzie Valley pipeline and there is still no royalty sharing agreement in place, should the pipeline proceed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Premier.

Further Return To Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, our government has always been clear with the federal government that we must have a resource revenue sharing agreement in place before the pipeline is completed. Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister, on December 14th when we signed the framework for the Northern Strategy, committed publicly to make substantial progress in the near future on resource revenue sharing and devolution. He committed to having an agreement-in-principle done and signed this spring and I want to hold him to that. He committed to finishing off the negotiations on devolution and resource revenue sharing by 2006. I am going to hold him to that. He did say to me -- and this is fair -- that he's just one party. The federal government is one party, we are one party, the aboriginal leaders are one party, so it's not all in his hands. Mr.

Speaker, we all have to work together here if we are going to benefit from this opportunity that is in front of us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Question 363-15(3): Mackenzie Valley Pipeline Readiness
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am glad to hear the Premier is on exactly the same page as I am and I think many northerners are. No long-term sustainable benefits, no revenue sharing, no pipeline. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I would like to ask the Premier if he concurs that that is what he is saying clearly and succinctly and we are committed to work very hard between now and when it comes into place because we do support it, so let there be no misunderstanding about that. Thank you.