Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Lee.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't think the Minister is answering my questions, which are that in last year's budget, there was $1.080 million budgeted for 2005-06 for Deline. The detail of that was for six public housing units. It was for six new public housing units. It's not there. So what happened to $1.080 million allocated for Deline?

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I understand that because of our new needs surveys, we are reacting to those needs surveys and those units you are looking at was a snapshot of what we thought the need was, but because our core need surveys were done, those units were not built in that program. So they weren't built in Deline last year because the core needs were allocated elsewhere.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Lee.

Thank you. That's not what I am hearing. I don't know how the Minister could argue that the core need went down in Deline. In last year's budget, there were two items for Deline. There was $1.080 million for 2005-06 and then another $1.080 million for 2007-08. What I see here is that has been pushed back. That's what happened. So now there is $300,000 allocated for next year and then $780,000 the year after. So $1.080 million has been put back with a majority of the money being spent two years from what it was originally intended for. I think the Minister has to explain more about how that happened.

Then down in Fort McPherson, Mr. Chairman, I can tell you that the money has been moved forward. This year it's been moved back, so I won't speak to that. I think the

Minister should explain that, because I don't understand how the Housing Corporation determines where they are going to spend their public housing money. It's frustrating when we know that there is $1 million budgeted for the very next year and when you get to that year, it's gone and then you have to ask the Housing Corporation what happened. All of a sudden, the need is not there. The same thing happened to Aklavik, there was $1.6 million planned for Aklavik. This year its $800,000. It's halved. How come their need became half of what it was last year? What happened there?

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, as we all know, community priorities stay. Dollars that are allocated to communities can be moved from public housing programs to an IHP program. Once the dollars are allocated, that's what happened in Deline. They decided to go with the Independent Housing Program instead of going with public housing. They built these log units as part of their decision. Again, circumstances change with regard to need. Also, the Member is quoting something that I don't have in front of me. She's quoting from something that happened last year. Last year is last year; we are dealing with this year's budget. The Member is commenting on something I don't have knowledge of.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Lee.

Okay, it's not like I am referring to a secret document. This is a House document. It was tabled last year. We passed it. It's not a strange document. Surely I think the officials over there should have information on what was allocated for last year. Okay, if he doesn't have that information maybe he could tell us in writing why it is that $1.080 million allocated for Deline this year is gone. The Minister should explain that. Another $1.080 million allocated last year in last year's budget for the year 2007-08 is gone. What determines that there is a need for $2 million in a community and the year after, there is no need for that? What shows in his needs survey that establishes that? Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, like I stated, this information is based on need. Some years, the need may be greater one year than the next and circumstances change. We do have needs surveys that we didn't have a number of years ago. Based on those surveys, we do the assessment. The numbers you see for 2006-07, those could change on the basis of the needs of those communities. It's a fluctuating number. It's not solid. You cannot determine the capital item exactly. If a budget is cut or we have to cut another three-and-a-half percent, it will have an effect on the overall amount. Circumstances change.

With Deline, they felt it was more important to put money into IHP programs than it was into public housing, so that is what they did.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. We are on page 8-42, infrastructure acquisition plan and it continues on to 8-43, total department $12.448 million.

Page 8-44, pro-forma income statement.

Thank you. We'll go back to page 8-7. Mr. Braden.

Mr. Chairman, if I could ask about a line on page 8-44, pro-forma income statement. The detail or the particular, I would like to...

Just one second, Mr. Braden. Does committee agree that we go back to page 8-44?

I am hearing some nays. Does committee agree that we go back to page 8-44?

Thank you. Mr. Braden.

Thank you, colleagues. I would like to see some details for the line called market housing expenditures for $892,000. Specifically, Mr. Chairman, does that have anything to do with the market housing initiative? Is there any crossover there? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.