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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the document is completed. We have not had an opportunity to sit down and review the findings. As soon as we have that opportunity, I will be pleased to share that with the Members of this House. I'm anticipating that to be sometime next week. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve.

Supplementary To Question 75-15(4): Dust Control Practices For The Nwt
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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It's good to know that the report has been completed and that the department will be reviewing it. I guess just based on the findings of the report I know there's going to be some communities that will have really severe dust levels that have been reported in the report; other communities not so bad. I want to know what measure the department is going to take. When they review the report, are they going to include extra funding to the communities that have really high levels of dust during the summer months? How is the department going to address the issue? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 75-15(4): Dust Control Practices For The Nwt
Question 75-15(4): Dust Control Practices For The Nwt
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Minister McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, it's difficult to respond to that question. I don't know what the options or the solutions are that the contractor is recommending at this point. The issue of dust is a serious concern in all the communities across the North. Whether it is a large centre or a small centre, it's an issue that we need to be able to deal with. We'd like to be able to look at the findings and respond accordingly. If there's a need for additional resources to implement some of these programs, then we'd certainly look at that and include it in our plan for next year or if there is any avenue to include it with some new dollars that may come forward. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve.

Supplementary To Question 75-15(4): Dust Control Practices For The Nwt
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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I guess the whole issue is getting down to the dollars and cents. I just want to make sure that the Minister is acknowledging the fact that there are some communities that have severe levels of dust, and other communities aren't so bad. I want to make sure that the Minister is going to prioritize communities that have a severe problem where issues have been coming forward to this House year after year with respect to the high levels of dust around there and to this day really nothing has been done. So I just want to make sure that the Minister is well aware that Lutselk'e should be put on a high priority list, because I think it has one of the highest levels of dust in the NWT. With regard to that, I want to ask the Minister when is Lutselk'e slated to get their main street chipsealed to kind of alleviate a little bit of this dust problem? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 75-15(4): Dust Control Practices For The Nwt
Question 75-15(4): Dust Control Practices For The Nwt
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Minister McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I certainly can't agree with the Member's comments that we haven't done anything on dust control. The responsibility for dust control is built into the community government formula allocation. That's part of their responsibilities for operations. Dust control is factored in. So each community has included in their budget some dollars for dust suppression. We've also undertaken to provide a main street chipsealing program that has been in the works for several years now. We have a long list of communities. I don't have it in front of me, but I would be pleased to provide that to the Member. We have undertaken to do a study in all the different communities on the different ways that we can deal with the dust issue and that information will come forward. We'll certainly give strong consideration to the Member's riding when we put together a plan of action and that's something that we will be doing. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve.

Supplementary To Question 75-15(4): Dust Control Practices For The Nwt
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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Maybe I'm getting conflicting information here, but I've got a note here, Madam Speaker, that is right from the Minister's office that says unfortunately there is no dedicated funding provided to Lutselk'e for dust control. So I don't know where the Minister is getting the idea that it's built into their O and M budget, because he's saying right here that there's no dedicated funding in O and M for dust control for Lutselk'e and it's up to the community to spend whatever it feels is appropriate out of their O and M budget, which makes no specific reference for dust control dollars. So maybe the Minister can provide me with some better breakdown of the O and M budget and show me how much money the community has at its leisure to spend on dust control and how much the government would allow them to spend. If the Minister can provide that, I'd surely love to see those numbers. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Minister McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Member is correct; there is no budget line that states an amount earmarked for dust control. Dust control is factored in as part of the formula and that money comes forward as a block fund. We do not tell the communities how to spend their money. If

Lutselk'e wants to spend their money on dust control or a recreation officer, that's up to them to put the priority and investment where they see fit. We don't tell the communities how to invest their money. We want the communities to make their own decisions, and if that money is not spent, in this case as the Member has indicated, on dust control, that's not something we can direct the communities to do or intervene with. That is the community's decision. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 76-15(4): Accuracy Of Information Provided By The Nwthc
Item 6: Oral Questions

May 31st, 2005

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, on March 9th I submitted a written question to the Minister of Housing in regard to information about the EDAP program. The reasoning behind that is because there is an urban legend out there about crazy amounts being given to people. On April 7th I had a great response from the Minister referring to the area I was specifically asking about, which was Yellowknife. It pointed out many detailed pieces of information in Yellowknife. All along I've been asking about the transparency issue and why are we giving such large dollars to so few. That's all I've been asking, that's strictly the point. I've been waiting for that information about the transparency to justify those large dollars to, again, so few. So that letter came under signature from the Minister, yet I'm hearing out there in the media that this information is incorrect. So I've been asking these questions for over a week and no one has come down to my office, which is 200 feet away from the Minister's office, to tell me that there were some errors or possibly clerical errors in this information.

Madam Speaker, this affects my work here in the House, it affects the process. So, Madam Speaker, my question to the Minister is, is the letter addressed on April 7th absolutely correct and if there are some small clerical errors in this, would the Minister be willing to update this to the most accurate information as possible if any errors were made whatsoever? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Question 76-15(4): Accuracy Of Information Provided By The Nwthc
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have checked back with the corporation to look at the numbers that have been mentioned in this House and I was made aware by the department that there has been errors in the numbers that were entered. Basically they use a code system and the code that was used was for new construction in regard to EDAP housing. After checking into it, there has been no new construction for EDAP housing in Yellowknife since the year 2000. So because there has been no new construction for new EDAP housing, that is the error in the information that was provided to the Member. I have looked into that and I was hoping to have a chance to sit down with the Member and discuss this, but apparently he released the information. So I am stating it here. I am doing an interview with the media to make them clear that that information was a clerical error where it was put into the wrong category using the wrong entry code for that information. So there is no new EDAP construction dollars for Yellowknife in those years prior to the year 2000.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Krutko. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I want to applaud the Minister for clarifying that because no one is above making an error, and certainly a clerical error could happen to anyone out there, and I'm certainly not perfect myself. That being said, this whole issue about the transparency of this program, I'm still trying to get justification as to why we give such large grants to so few. So, Madam Speaker, I ask the question to the Minister, why are we giving such large grants to so few and would he provide those details of transparency so we can move forward on this issue? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would just like to remind the Member that we do have to ensure that we follow up the ATIPP confidential information, not to disclose information that is classified as confidential or of a personal nature. So I would just like to remind the Member we cannot provide information that is confidential or basically has a disclosure on those contractual agreements or mortgages that are in place. There's certain information that cannot be released to Members.

Just in regard to the Member's question, Madam Speaker, I tried to explain this the last number of days. The whole idea of EDAP was to assist people to move from public housing into home ownership. It's for those people who are social clients. Once they get a job and are able to sustain themselves and they can show that they are paying their rent and they are able to maintain some sort of home ownership, then we basically move to those clients. The first offers were supposed to be given to those clients. So I would just like to mention to the Member that it may seem to be a little high, but it's based on where you require a house. So I think it is important that we realize that the whole EDAP program was originally intended for low income people and a decision was made three years ago to allow communities such as Yellowknife, Inuvik and Hay River to expand a little more for those people looking for down payment assistance to get a first mortgage because the cost of development was so high they could not afford it. The whole intent of the program is to assist people with low incomes, get them out of public housing and be able to get them into home ownership. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Krutko. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'll recognize the Minister's passion for getting people out of public housing into personal home ownership but before we move on too far, I would like to hear from the Minister because we did talk about that $109,000. If the Minister could clarify exactly when they realized when there was a clerical error and why they didn't come down to my office immediately to clarify this, because this has been an issue out there for a week. A lot of people are very concerned about this. So when did this information come forward to the Minister that the letter he had sent to me under his signature had a clerical error and why they didn't come and clarify this with me immediately? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I took the information two days ago to the people at the Housing Corporation and asked them for clarification on the information that was mentioned in this House in regard to numbers that were mentioned by the Member. During that time, that is when they made it clear to me that those dollars were not expended in Yellowknife for new construction in regard to EDAP. So it's a matter of the information getting back to the Member. I was in the process because I know that there is a confidential matter now that we have to consider that not having this information revealed to the public, which could jeopardize our ATIPP responsibilities to ensure we protect the interests and the information. It is private and I cannot release it to anyone who may have it out there in the public. So that was a concern that we had. We wanted to make sure that we were aboveboard and we were not breeching any responsibilities that we have. Thank you.