Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister missed a few of my questions. I asked how much of the $32 million is going towards this program and if it was affecting the other programs the Housing Corporation runs. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Minister.

We are looking at 108 units; roughly about $19.9 million.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. McLeod.

So $19.9 million. That answers one question. The second question was, is this going to affect the other programs the Housing Corporation runs because it's another subsidy? I am all for people getting into their own homes, but if you know you can't maintain a home, it just seems to be one program set up after another. EDAP, as far as I am concerned, is a pretty good program where people will go to the bank and get the money. If you know you can't maintain the home, why bother going to apply? The Housing Corporation is going to recoup some of their money out of this instead of just providing another subsidy and a second layer of public housing, because if they don't qualify for a mortgage, do they move into public housing? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, this will be an application-based program where we will screen the application, identify which clients we feel meet the program. One of the things we are seeing is we are hearing a lot of complaints from people who are in social housing who are paying the high end of the rate scale. Because of that, they don't seem to be getting any further ahead with the amount of money they are paying on rent. Because of that, we are trying to free up some social housing and get those people who are paying at the high end of the rent scale into homeownership. Yes, we have had experiences where people have gone into a housing program where they had to give the unit back to the Housing Corporation. With this program, we see that there is a mechanism for them to continue to maintain the home by continuing to pay the utility costs. Once we feel that they have the abilities to pay a mortgage, then, at that point, we allow them to get into a mortgage. It's for people under the EDAP program we have now who are eligible to go to the bank and get a mortgage. So this will supplement that program.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. People in social housing who are paying the high end of the rent scale are people who I hear about who want to get into EDAP, but they can't because they make too much. Now we are talking about starting a whole new subsidy program, another layer of public housing. So it doesn't seem that that is the group this is geared for. I will ask my final question again; will this affect the other programs that

the Housing Corporation offers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, this program is there to try to catch those people who are in a situation where they may have arrears. They are not able to pay down those arrears in order to get into EDAP or be able to go to a bank because they have a bad credit rating. So we want to be able to work with them to be able to get them back on their feet and assist them with a payment plan and allow them to move into these units, paying the utility costs for the two-year period and then be able to get them on their feet to purchase the unit outright through EDAP, or go to the bank and get a mortgage. It's a transitional period for housing for individuals to get into these types of programs.

Also, we will be providing counselling to these individuals with regard to the services that we do provide. We'll also work with them to be able to secure a bank loan with the client and the banks to be able to make them access these programs. There are a lot of barriers that a lot of individuals that have had, for one reason or another, who are in social housing; but in order to break that cycle, you have to try something new. This is the idea of this new program; to try something that we feel will be able to get those people into homeownership and out of social housing.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Pokiak.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There's been a lot of good questions to the Minister here today. I think what we should be doing is grabbing hammers and building units. But anyway...

Mr. Chairman, earlier, the Minister indicated that there are 33 units being shipped on the winter roads. Is that correct? Out of the 118.

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we have ordered 33 packages for housing to get to the communities over the winter road. It's 33.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Pokiak.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What happens to the others? Are they coming out of the 118 units we're talking about now? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak. Mr. Minister.

Yes, it's 118.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Pokiak.

Thank you. With regard to the other units, my calculation costs are for about 85 units. Are those on order already now too for the summer shipping season to other communities if required? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak. Mr. Minister.