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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will be speaking in favour of the bill with a couple of comments that, like my

colleague, I would like to note for the record. As the Minister explained in his opening remarks, these are measures that we are bringing into play not for ourselves or this Assembly, of course, Mr. Chair, but as criteria and conditions I think that will improve the environment for our successors in the 16th Assembly.

Some of the amendments, as Ms. Lee has noted, will adjust for some of the variances and the discrepancies that our out-of-town or out-of-Yellowknife colleagues have experienced. I know that their voices were heard, and, I think, to a very large extent, supported by the more sort of urban, if you will, Members from the larger centres. In that context, Mr. Chair, I would like to extend my appreciation to the commission -- really, this was headed by Mr. Jake Oates, a former Member of this Assembly -- and thank them for taking this task to the people of the NWT and for bringing us back a report that we are able to deal with.

Mr. Chair, one other thing in this that has caused me some concern over my sort of term-and-a-half here has been our ability to be able to police ourselves, if you will, or monitor ourselves at least in terms of our attendance and involvement during our regular business. This is something that was reflected in a former or, with the recommendation on the books now, where certain types of unexcused absences could be fined. We have never been able to bring this to bear for a number of reasons. I am not going to go into it other than to speculate that this is a very political environment we are in and some things are done with a certain degree of confidence and comfort and others aren't. What this bill brings in, though, Mr. Chair, is not a situation where we have to sort of be policemen amongst each other or seem to be punishing each other. It is a difficult thing to do in our environment. Rather, we are going to serve the interests of the people of the NWT in a much more transparent manner by asking our Speaker to table on a sessional basis, which would be at least three times a year then, the attendance record of every Member at duly called committee meetings and processes. That is where I think at least that aspect of our performance and our service as MLAs can be seen and then, of course, measured by anyone who cares to take an interest.

Mr. Chair, I guess I did have one question, and I am wondering if I may pose it to our witnesses now, where I believe, Mr. Chair, the types of increments or increases that are proposed in the bill are quite reasonable and perhaps even prudent and modest. There are some areas where we have found it appropriate, especially in the interest of Members from outside of Yellowknife, to increase their allowances. I am wondering if the Minister or his witnesses could give the Assembly some idea, perhaps on an annual basis, what the anticipated extra increase in costs is to running the Assembly under these new criteria, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Minister.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, thank you. Just some clarification of the question. Are we talking about the annual increases for Members' indemnities tied to CPI and what that will approximately be per year, or are you talking about the total package of enhancements and changes here? I think we can give you some estimates of numbers. We don't know the CPI going forward, so there are some unknowns here.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Minister Bell. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess I am looking for some ballpark figures here where we do know that there are at least based on the three percent increment that I believe was allowed Members. This is taken from the Collective Agreement with the Union of Northern Workers. What is the CPI now; two and a half percent? Mr. Chair, my objective here is to be able to say to the public, okay, we think that increasing the costs for the Legislative Assembly under these criteria will result in a certain percentage of increase. What is that percentage of increase?

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Minister.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't have a forecast of CPI going forward, but maybe what I could say is that, in the last number of years, the last number of contracts, I believe the UNW has always negotiated a higher increase than the CPI. In my recent memory anyway, that has been the case, so I would think that this is probably going to amount to lower increases going forward than the UNW will negotiate. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Maybe I am looking for too fine a layer of detail here. There are also increments that the bill proposes to increase some allowances, the cost of doing business for Members at least outside of Yellowknife. Do we have some estimate of what the increment is there, Mr. Chair?

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Minister.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We do. The provisions contained in the bill we think are about approximately $20,000 per year more. The policy and regulation changes that we are proposing, and those are the things Ms. Lee mentioned, some of the high points, more Pages, going from travel for two Pages for each MLA to full costs for four Pages per year. We are improving the orientation programs for Members and we are also going to provide for five constituency tours every year. That will ensure that we don't see what we are seeing now in some instances where Members have to make a choice about doing constituency tours as compared to writing newsletters or doing other things in their constituency. We think that is quite an improvement. But those policy changes, regulation changes, we think are about $200,000 per year. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Minister Bell. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you very much. I appreciate the information. That is all the questions and comments I had, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Next I have Mrs. Jane Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

That is okay, Mr. Chair. I think I will pass. Some of my questions were already

addressed by the Member, so there is no sense in being repetitive. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Next I have Mr. Ramsay.

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Same.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Thank you. General comments? Details. Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Bill 3, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, clause 1.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Clause 2.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Calvin Pokiak

Clause 3.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.