Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to answer a couple of them and then I'll have Mr. Polakoff just explain how the new program is going to roll out. In terms of is there new money going into these programs, no. Other than the federal top-up money that they provide to us, there is no new money. This is just taking the 14 old programs, roll them into four understandable programs and so there's basically no money in it.

The big issue we have, challenge, of course, is to change people from public housing over to homeownership. That's the challenge we're looking at. The new parts, of course, are the education side, the assisted or transitional lease program. Those sorts of things.

In other cases, we still have difficulty and the Member mentioned Wekweeti. Wekweeti is the one community where we have no public housing, we have no LHO. Where there is an LHO and there is public housing, I guess this is one of the advantages, they then have a warehouse and some material and so on. But in Wekweeti, it's all 100 percent homeownership. The one thing that we need to help people with is understand that it's...We have programs to help them with homeownership, but it is their house and there's a limit to how much we're going to interfere with them.

It is a challenge to have some availability of materials. I can understand that. If you need something as simple as a doorknob, it's not available in the store, probably. But it's something we're going to have to look at as we get into homeownership if the regular retail section isn't handling this and how are we going to make sure that people have the means to be able to manage their own homes. We're very proud of the people in Wekweeti, the independence they have, and we don't want to destroy that. So we need to assist them, but at the same time continue homeownership there.

With regard to the four programs, I'll ask Mr. Polakoff to very briefly outline how we're rolling this new program out. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Polakoff.

Thank you, Mr. Polakoff. Ms. Lee.

Thank you. Just a short follow-up on that. I'm wondering if I could get a commitment from the Minister that he would come back to Social Programs committee on sort of a six-month check-up. Probably the next business plan process would be a good time to just see where we are on the rollout or any improvements or any twigging that we might have to do and any new questions or issues that might arise out of this, because I think the

committee members would be very interested in how its received and if there are any new things to consider. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Lee. You're time had expired, but I'll allow that next question. It's just that it expired when you started speaking. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, yes, we'll do that if there are some other issues that we'll bring up at the Social Programs committee at the first opportunity. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Next on the list I have Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wanted to ask the Minister in terms of working with the district operations in the communities in terms of the universal agreements that we have done in the past and that this whole rollout of these programs is this somehow going to fit in with the scope of the universal agreements that they may be drafting. Maybe he wants to work with the communities in terms of having a larger role, as Mr. President of the Housing Corporation said, a larger role in the Housing Corporation by the community members. Thank you.

Mahsi, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, as part of the rollout of these new programs, I had mentioned earlier that Housing Corporation staff will be going to the communities and as they introduce and talk about the four new programs, they would also look at how that applies to the Universal Partnership Agreement, what changes might have to be made and so on. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for that reassurance in terms of if the Housing Corporation would look at the impacts on the universal agreements. I would ask the Minister if they would provide some time for the communities to look at the impacts of this universal agreement so they can sit down by themselves sometime to look at it, how it will impact the community and the organizations that are affected by the universal agreements, and then come back to the district office until they say this is how we want to look at the universal arrangements as we understand it and give some time to the community and the district office to come to a satisfactory, should they go into a universal agreement, time to work out something that will be beneficial to both the Housing Corporation and the communities that are involved. I think that's what I'm asking for. I'll ask the Minister. Thank you.

Mahsi, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Change always brings some uncertainty and a lot of questions and things you didn't think of as we moved along. So certainly we'll provide the communities, the LHOs, everybody, with opportunity to have that kind of input. This is going to be a transition that will take a little while to fully implement.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I guess the one issue I would ask is did the department consider in terms of following up on Ms. Lee's comments in terms of surplus of supplies, and that is some of the supplies that the Housing Corporation has, do they I guess sell them on a yearly basis or every six months? Because I know there's a doorknob that cost about $74 in Tulita, Northern Store, and padlocks cost about $34 or $35, a real good padlock. So that's over $100 just for a padlock and doorknob. So does the Housing Corporation have any supplies that would be available to seniors in terms of them needing for their homes on notice? I think some of that affects our communities in our region and I know some elders just go to the Northern Store and they just purchase it right there. Stubborn. Like some people I know, but, however, some elders, they ask if they can help them out in terms of purchasing some of these supplies from the Housing Corporation. I'm not advocating that you guys open up a Home Hardware or Canadian Tire in the Housing Corporation, but be of assistance on an emergency case basis that you have some flexibility in that area. Thank you.

Mahsi, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, while it's not the core business of the LHO to be, as you say, opening a retail business with homeowners, but I know they have in the past helped out in emergencies and will continue to do that. But as we get more homeowners in the communities, hopefully the regular retail sector will become more responsive with giving people some options besides a $74 doorknob. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Yakeleya.

No, thank you.

Mahsi, Mr. Yakeleya. Next on the list I have Mr. Braden.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to confirm, we're on page 165 or 166?

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Just for clarification, we're on 165, 2-165, district operations, operations expenditure summary, $37.818 million.