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Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

That's what governments do. Governments build schools, they build hospitals, they build roads. We don't always ask what's in it for us in terms of profit.

These are public infrastructure and governments are supposed to do that.

Mr. Speaker, for anybody to say that we are sort of putting this in the front of the queue at the expense of another, has not done enough research. Mr. Speaker, people out there expect us to act on some of the things. This has been on the books for eight years. I will submit to you, Mr. Speaker, this is one of the rare projects that actually went through a legislative review process. That hasn't been done for any school infrastructure or courthouse; that's not a normal process. This was a huge item. This was a decision made by the government eight years ago that we would do this. This has been worked on ever since and it's about time that we get off our butts and make some decisions.

Mr. Speaker, when this discussion has been going on, I know communities are divided, there's not unanimous support, but I could tell you many people are saying build that bridge. Mr. Speaker, some people ask what is the urgency. Mr. Speaker, if you go to the Department of Indian Affairs' website, there is a little article about the Deh Cho project and you'll learn from that, I mean I'm sure it's everywhere too and I've mentioned this before, the highway from the NWT border to Yellowknife started in 1968. It took 40 years to build. Forty years ago if somebody said we're going to build this highway and it's going to cost $540 million in 2007 dollars, everybody would have said take a hike, that is too expensive, let's study this thing to death, let's see if we can afford it. Mr. Speaker, that's exactly what we're doing. In 1975, the estimate for the bridge was $25 million. At the $150 million estimated, that is quite reasonable 30 years later.

So I know I can appreciate some Members in this House that are worried that $150 million going into the Deh Cho Bridge over North Slave is going to somehow take away money for their projects. I have to tell you -- and I wish the government would do a better job of explaining that -- that is not what is going to happen. We're not taking away $150 million from the government capital budget and plunking it on the North Slave for the benefit of Yellowknife. That is not what is happening. We don't have that money in the capital budget. What is happening is we have a 3P project, it's a great agreement, we have equity partners who are going to do the financing and the government is going to spend the money they normally spend anyway on ferry delivery and associated costs.

Mr. Speaker, I will give you the details, Mr. Speaker, for those who are out there who are being fed misinformation and fear about this Deh Cho project, Mr. Speaker, the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation will raise sufficient equity and debt financing to design, finance and construct the bridge to agreed upon standards. The Government of the Northwest Territories and Deh Cho Bridge Corporation will enter into an agreement for a 35-year concession period, during which the DBC will own, operate and maintain the bridge. During this period, the GNWT will pay a contribution from ongoing ferry ice bridge savings approximately $1.5 million annually, but it's inflating. The GNWT will also collect and pay a toll on commercial vehicles crossing the bridge, approximately $3 million annually, increasing with traffic and inflation. Mr. Speaker, total revenue, which was estimated a few years back to be about $4.5 million in year one, will be used to service and reduce the debt, operate and maintain the bridge and provide a return on shareholders' equity. Annual costs will include the debt servicing, interest and principal of approximately $3 million, and operations and maintenance of approximately half a million for a total year one cost of approximately $3.5 million. The key word here is inflation and let's talk about inflation and that's where the urgency comes from.

Mr. Speaker, eight years ago when this bridge was an idea and it was estimated at about $30 million, no one in Yellowknife could have envisioned that we would look at a real estate guide for $500,000 and not blink. Eight years ago we could have never imagined that. In eight years, Mr. Speaker, the prices in Yellowknife and North Slave have at least doubled if not went up by at least twice. So of course there's inflationary pressure on this project. For any Members to suggest that we need to revisit this whole thing because the cost of living went up by 100 percent, I don't understand that. The nature of the project has not changed and I'm trying to tell you that this Assembly had gone through a thorough review. I do support that this government has to do a better job of explaining to the people the content of this project, but to say that because the cost of building this project and financing this project has gone up a little that it changes the nature of the project is wrong.

Mr. Speaker, I have a problem with this motion because that's what it does. It makes it sound like we're sort of hoodwinking a project under the knowledge of the people. That's not the case, Mr. Speaker. When you're doing a cost and benefits analysis, the motion suggests we've got to look at the cost benefit analysis that suggests that this bridge will somehow increase the cost of living for people in Yellowknife. I want to tell you, once again, when I was a member of GED, we did public hearings through the Territories and in Yellowknife about Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and people have said, and the trucking associations or the Co-op, all the grocers, they have told us that having no bridge over the Mackenzie River is increasing the costs of doing business in the North. I'm telling you eight years later, and the cost of living has gone up in every other way, the cost of not having the bridge is very, very high. I support the bridge 1,000 percent because I believe...

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...I believe in my heart that this bridge will reduce the cost of living for Yellowknifers and put everybody who lives in the North, and let me say when you go to Wal-Mart I see more people from outside communities and, may I add, Mr. Speaker, that it will reduce the cost of living for everybody in the Northwest Territories.

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An Hon. Member

Right. Cheers to Yellowknife.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I have indicated many a time, not having access because of the ice break-up in the springtime and in the fall, it could amount anywhere between six to eight weeks in a year and I know and I appreciate that in many communities that's the state of being all year round. I appreciate that and I believe they should get the bridge too. That's not to say that Yellowknife should not get that. We have 20,000 people and the businesses and all the services we provide that get closed down twice a year and there is a cost to that, Mr. Speaker. The trucking companies pay extra money when they have to come to Yellowknife, not just a delay in time, there's an extra premium for having to drive here,

Mr. Speaker. The businesses all over Yellowknife have to store extra inventory to get ready. The freeze-up and the spring break-up is not pre-determined; nobody knows when that's going to happen.

Mr. Speaker, so there is a lot of cost in not having this and we need to understand that. It's about time that the Members of this House consider the fact that not having the bridge is increasing the cost of living for the residents and businesses of Yellowknife, and for that reason I cannot understand, for the life of me, why all the MLAs from Yellowknife are not getting behind 1,000 percent for this project.

Mr. Speaker, if you try to do a house renovation...Excuse me, I can't hear. Mr. Speaker, I have to speak louder and louder because I can't hear what I am saying. Mr. Speaker, during the spring thaw and break-up, there are lots of things that you cannot get. This past three or four months, all the fresh stuff, all the milk, all have to be flown in. There is a cost to that. I know that happens in other communities, so I support the bridge for everybody else.

Mr. Speaker, let me just conclude by saying...Mr. Speaker, let me just say...

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
Item 17: Motions

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An Hon. Member

Pass me a napkin, please.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Mr. Speaker...Mr. Speaker, let me conclude by saying, if I may, if I may conclude by saying...

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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An Hon. Member

Go for it, Sandy!

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Geez, Mr. Speaker, what I want to tell you is this project has had more review, and more input, and more study, and more effort than any other project we know. It has gone through a lengthy process. Oh yes, and there is a benefit to Fort Providence area and I understand the Member from Sahtu said talking to his family they don't know what this project is...

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An Hon. Member

Shame.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

But, Mr. Speaker, let me tell you, I have been through many, many briefings where the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and the Community Alliance sees this as a great opportunity for them to partake in all the activities that are going on in North Slave area that they have not been able to take advantage of. They're not near the diamond mines, they're not near anywhere in the pipeline corridor, this is going to be a P3 partnership project where they will be able to get some profit out of this so that they can spend that money to invest in their communities. Anybody who questions about the value of this project for that community should go and talk to the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and get an update on that, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, let me just say that this was reviewed and at some point the legislators who are voted in to do the job on behalf of the people and to make decisions and get some stuff done, it's time to do that. This has been on the books for eight years.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

To say in all the three bullets here, studying the cost of living issues, it suggests that somehow this bridge will increase the cost of living, and this is why I had to do the whole song and dance about the fact that in fact the case is completely reverse, the case is completely reverse. This bridge will reduce the cost of living for the North and for Yellowknife and the surrounding area. We have to do everything we can, it will benefit everybody, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have to do something to avoid a situation that we had earlier in the month when we are at risk of running out of fuel to supply our community, Mr. Speaker.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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An Hon. Member

Float planes.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Most importantly, if we don't do this, we are increasing the chance of Nunavut going ahead with the port in Keewatin. Mr. Speaker, surely Members would not think that it's better off for North Slave to not have a bridge and make it favourable for Nunavut. So, Mr. Speaker, I do not agree with the philosophy and the pretext of this motion because it does not do what I think we all should do, which is get behind this bridge 1,000 percent because it's going to benefit us and it's going to cost less doing it this way than any other way and this is the best time to do it than any other time we will find for the next 35 years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
Item 17: Motions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. To the motion, as amended. The honourable Member from Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Firstly, I'd like to indicate that I'm prepared to arm wrestle the Member for Hay River South for the pre-cast concrete plant...

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An Hon. Member

I'd love to see that.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I'd like to offer my commiserations and condolences to the supreme irritation the Member from Range Lake must go through. We've not been able to get her avocados and her papayas...

---Laughter

...as freshly as she would like.

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Some Hon. Members

Oooh.

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An Hon. Member

Sour grapes.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

As well, Mr. Speaker, the Member made a comment that this motion somehow casts a dark shadow over the bridge project. In fact, the darkness that has shrouded and has cloaked this project is the lack of information and involvement of the Regular Members and the intent of this motion is to cast some light and lift that shroud...

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An Hon. Member

Yeah.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

...and cloak of darkness that surrounds this project. Everybody here says they support the project. We are talking about a case of due diligence. The other concern I have, Mr. Speaker, as I listened to the discussion and I followed the debate in the last couple weeks is the 3P project may now only be a 1P project where the Government of the Northwest Territories is, in fact, carrying all the costs, and all the liability, and all the

responsibility, and all the risk and in fact becomes a government project.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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An Hon. Member

One hundred and fifty million.

Motion To Amend Motion 8-15(6), Carried
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

So, Mr. Speaker, I think this is a good motion and I think we should get that information and the people should know this and they should have the comfort that this is being done. The landscape and ground has changed under which the initial plans were made to build this bridge. So yes, the bridge is a good project and it's been on the books for eight years...

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An Hon. Member

Eight years.

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