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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty.

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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am just curious to know when this intermediate construction will take place in Behchoko. The elders are waiting anxiously. There are places of residence that have mould and whatnot. So when is that going to occur? Mahsi.

Supplementary To Question 159-15(6): Jimmy Erasmus Seniors' Centre
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that some of the work on the roof, first of all, is being done as we speak. I am not sure of the exact detail of where they are at with that. During the 2007-08 year, there will be a flooring repair or replacement. I understand that some of that work is currently underway, and then some work on crawlspace, some repairs to the sumps, some minor interior upgrades, and inspection upgrade of the heating and ventilation system as well as piping would all go on during the 2007-08 fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 159-15(6): Jimmy Erasmus Seniors' Centre
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to continue along my line of questioning I had earlier today about my constituents who are being pulled down into poverty because our government doesn't seem to want to help them.

Mr. Speaker, it is obvious the Minister of Education wishes to protect the bureaucratic approach when there is a special circumstance here that is required. So I am going to hopefully look towards the Minister of Health to maybe see some sensitivity in addressing this serious issue. Mr. Speaker, extra home care will help this family get on their feet. Would the Minister of Health and Social Services help this family with more home care so that the other partner can get out and work so they don't lose their home and family, because it is cheaper to keep them in their home together than it is to put this family in a hospital or break them up? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services, Mr. Roland.

Return To Question 160-15(6): Increase In Home Care Services
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has some flexibility. In fact, what we have found in a number of cases where we work on case management with either Education, Culture and Employment or the Housing Corporation is to look at the case and work together on trying to find solutions. It is not our practice to deal case by case in this scenario. But as the Member is aware, all departments have been very involved in this and looking forward to try to find some solutions that fit. That doesn't mean, as was stated earlier, that we can go beyond what our programs are, but we have been working together to find a solution that would work. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will make it simple for the Minister because that sort of preamble didn't work. Will he send a message to his department to increase the home care services provided to this family so we can allow them to go to work, save their home so they don't lose their shirt and we end up having to take care of them through the income support process and this other person who is disabled in the hospital, so it is going to cost us a lot more? Will he increase the home care support? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 160-15(6): Increase In Home Care Services
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member raises some important issues around that, but I think, at the same time, he should be, as we respond to some of his inquiries here, we have worked on different cases and we have allowed flexibility. That is over and above what we have as our standard program. We will do that on a case-by-case scenario. The Member is aware of that. We are doing what we can, but there has to be some acceptance of the limits that we face as a government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I have to admit that was a mirthless answer but yet I was intrigued because there sounded like something there. But, Mr. Speaker, the fact is this Minister could say today, yes, we will look into this and, yes, we will make something happen. That is all that we are asking for, because this family is about to lose everything. It is going to cost us a heck of a lot more if we mop up the mess later. So let's do something today. Let's be proactive and let's not see this family destroyed. Yes. That is all the Minister has to say. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary To Question 160-15(6): Increase In Home Care Services
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, quite easily I could stand up and say, yes, we will look into it. But as the Member is well aware, we have looked into this situation. The fact is, as a government, as I stated earlier, we are not in the situation of dealing in this public forum on a case-by-case scenario. There are avenues for that. We have sat down as departments to work on a case management situation. We are trying to be as caring as possible, but there has to be some acceptance. There are limitations to what we can do as the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Time for question period has expired. I will allow the Member a final supplementary. Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister is correct; a number of people have talked about this situation, but nothing has been put forward to solve the problem. The problem is that this lady in the wheelchair cannot be left alone. Her doctor says she cannot be left alone. We can do all the fancy designs, schematics, and make some adjustments in their house, but it doesn't change the fact that she requires full-time care. So does the Minister want to state today that we are going to give her 10 hours and that is it and we will let the family fall apart, or is he going to say today, Mr. Speaker, it is better to have this family broken up and put her in the hospital? Because he is also the Minister of Finance and he should be able to tell me which is cheaper. We should be able to do a better job by helping with better home care. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member continues to not have listened to what is being done and provided. I am sorry. I guess in this scenario, we are doing what we can. We are offering...and as I stated, we are going beyond some of our programs to try to be caring in this situation, but there are limitations. I am sorry; I can't help the Member's campaign strategy. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Time for oral questions has expired. Written questions. Returns to written questions. Replies to opening address. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Braden.

Mr. Braden's Reply
Item 10: Replies To Opening Address

August 19th, 2007

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, colleagues, and every Member of this Assembly. Indeed, anyone who ever chooses to run for public office knows how intensely personal that decision is. For me, the choice was a combination of almost 30 years of interest and involvement in all sorts of elections and public affairs at every level of our country's government. It was my various work experience as reporter, tourism manager, a small business owner, a senior corporate director, all of it here in the Northwest Territories and the Yukon, Mr. Speaker, that gave me the sense that, perhaps, I could make a contribution here in this Assembly.

It was a combination of watching a lot of northern MLAs, town councillors and federal MPs over those years and seeing how their decisions, ideas and values affected me, my family and my community. Mr. Speaker, I came to see that most of them shared at least one thing in common. That was a belief that if our communities, regions and our nation are to be safe and prosperous places, good people need to get together and make the decisions that will help make this happen. That is why we have elections. That is what government is for. For the most part, Mr. Speaker, I found that these people did not carry some great manifest mantle of political destiny. If they did, it was usually quickly dispelled, sometimes brutally on election day. Neither did they aspire to be champions who are single-handedly going to turn the world upside down. For the most part, they were ordinary people who earnestly offered their time, skills and strength in the service of their community.

When I ran for my first term, Mr. Speaker, in the fall of 1999, that was a unique event that I wanted to be part of. I know a number of people here who ran in that election also wanted to be part of it. It was the creation of the new NWT as Nunavut had just been created months before, Mr. Speaker. Many new horizons were opening for us here at the turn of the century. I wanted to be part of it. This is what I wanted to bring to the table when I decided, now some 10 years ago, to run for office in this Assembly.

Mr. Speaker, that is the public side. The personal side for me was really not whether I could handle losing an election. I had enough experience of that in several of the campaigns that I had worked with previously.

---Laughter

I figured I could handle that, but, Mr. Speaker, how was I going to handle winning? More specifically, how was my family going to cope with the demands of having a son, a husband, a dad, a brother and an uncle out there in public display every day for the next four years? I know it was going to be okay when my wife, Valerie, said this to me. She said, "Bill, go ahead. I believe in you. If you don't do it now, you will regret it. And so will I, because you will never stop complaining."

Mr. Speaker, when a candidate offers up their name on a ballot and a voter puts their “X” beside that name, it really is, in effect, a contract. If enough voters sign that contract, you have the job as their MLA. The deal is quite simple. It is to represent all constituents to the best of your ability. I hope I have done that for the constituents of Great Slave. I am grateful to the voters of my constituency and the chance to serve them for the past eight years and, through their support, to serve the people of the Northwest Territories.

I have tried to give my voice, Mr. Speaker, especially to those who don't have a voice: the disabled and their families seeking equitable treatment and a chance to succeed on their terms; to those marginalized by illnesses, addictions and many other situations that our policies and budgets do not yet deal fairly with and compassionately with; to those who are captured in the cycle of poverty and hopelessness, all too often fostered in some part or to some degree, Mr. Speaker, by our own government's lack of progressive thinking. Perhaps most significant for me, Mr. Speaker, is the plight of those injured workers who have fallen through the cracks in our WCB system and who, in the future, will have a WCB that is more responsive and accepting of their situation.

Mr. Speaker, I have also tried to shed light on the arts, festivals and events across the North that help to define us, give us our identity and make us who we are: northerners with many great talents and a multilingual, multicultural heritage that is as strong and vibrant as any in Canada.

Mr. Speaker, in our consensus system, it is expected that each MLA will become very well versed in every aspect of our government and be able to respond to any and all ideas and issues. I know that I have disappointed some of my constituents in these areas. But I also know that I have satisfied others. On balance, Mr. Speaker, I believe that I have satisfied my own desire to have been a part of this Assembly and to have helped make the decisions that will make the NWT a safe and prosperous place. Thank you, voters of Great Slave, for your trust and your confidence.

Mr. Speaker, it would be presumptuous of me to tell the next Legislative Assembly what it should or should not do. I have chosen to give that job to the next MLA for Great Slave and I wish him or her all the best. But I do have a message to leave, Mr. Speaker, for the voters and all the candidates in the election coming on October 1st. Mr. Speaker, a consensus government is under threat. It suffers from complacency within the Legislative assembly here and lack of openness and transparency to the voters and from a federal government that has no real tangible agenda for the social and political role the North should play in the Canadian federation.

Being an MLA in this system is hard work. It demands unity to make our system work, yet it has virtually no discipline or authority to compel Members to do so. MLAs it seems are simply expected to work with each other. I believe that our committees and our Cabinet in this 15th Assembly have failed on many occasions to work together. The decision to relocate the Territorial Treatment Centre from Yellowknife, the toothless socio-economic agreement on the pipeline and the so-called letter of comfort to the pipeline proponents are all examples, Mr. Speaker, of where Cabinet and committee could have done a better job of working together for the people of the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, I have been a strong proponent of a more open and public system of consensus government, especially at the committee level. In this area, I believe we are actually one of Canada's most secretive assemblies. That could be remedied, in part, by having more public committee sessions so the public can see and hear our discussions and deliberations. Consensus, ironically, Mr. Speaker, actually allows too much information to be cloaked behind closed doors. Our successor assemblies, I believe, can fix that. One of the things that is in the works here that I am very excited about is a new co-operative and television channel and broadcast network with our colleagues in Nunavut that can open up tremendous avenues for communication and information sharing and inclusion with the public of what we do in this Assembly. Please do not take for granted that consensus can continue. It's going to take constant care, hard work and forthright honest and open communication.

Mr. Speaker, the federal government, of course, holds the purse strings in the NWT but it also holds the increasingly complex controls of land claims, self-government and regulatory processes here in the NWT. Its lack of coordination and disjointed strategies have created enormous divisions across our political, social and economic agendas here in the NWT as Canada, the aboriginal claimant groups and the GNWT spar at each other at the expense of the whole.

I believe these rifts are at the heart of why we cannot achieve a collective devolution and resource revenue sharing agreement, Mr. Speaker. Canada has to declare whether it's ready to let the NWT truly come into its own. We must not stop in pursuit of that goal, Mr. Speaker, because when it happens we will be more than just an energy and resource bank for all of Canada. We will truly be a land of hope and prosperity that we all want and deserve for our children.

Mr. Speaker, I have many people to thank for the opportunity and the support I have received as the MLA for Great Slave. Let me start here with the people who are under your direction. Mr. Speaker, the staff of the Legislative Assembly and my first term led by the legendary David Hamilton, the Clerk from my first term; and a legend in his own time now, I believe, Mr. Tim Mercer, our present Clerk.

---Applause

Their teams of support staff including administrative, legislative and legal help have been outstanding. I would like to say a special thank you, Mr. Speaker, to the research staff; Robert Collinson, Regina Pfeifer, Susan Martin, and led by Colette Langlois for their tremendous backing.

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Loretta Sabirsh and Vera Raschke have provided constant support and attention to me and I know for many, many other Members, in library services. I also want to recognize very specially Verna Currimbhoy, Members' secretary, who toils selflessly on our behalf upstairs in our offices. Thank you very much.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, no one gets elected by themselves. I have had the great good fortune to have a very experienced and a very conscientious campaign manager in Ms. Hilary Jones for both of my election campaigns and I had a schoolmate, Abe Theil, as my official agent, in both election campaigns. I want to thank them both very, very sincerely for their time, commitment and the belief they put in me.

Mr. Speaker, no one can do this job by themselves. Our constituency assistants, CAs as we call them, are people who do much of the legwork when constituents call. I have been especially fortunate to have one man, John Argue, as my CA for all eight years here. I think that's a record that few of us can say.

---Applause

His intimate knowledge of the NWT, of government and of this city is unique. Above all, Mr. Speaker, his loyalty and wise counsel make me very grateful to have had him by my side working for me and the constituents of Great Slave.

I said earlier that this job is a very personal commitment and that could never have happened without my family at my side. Mr. Speaker, my older brother, George, former MLA in this Assembly and the first elected leader to the Executive Council in 1979, is a special inspiration and an ongoing support to me; my mother, Esther, my daughters Rae and Carmen who have joined us in the Assembly, Mr. Speaker; my sister, Sandy, and brothers Pat and Max and their families. You never let me down.

My wife and I will be married 30 years in October, Mr. Speaker. Now it is time to return to do some of the other things we want to do.

---Applause

Val and I will be relocating temporarily to Vancouver where I plan to go to school for a year and where she will have a chance to spend some real time with her family who reside in that part of Canada. We will return to the North.

The NWT is a great land with many great people, Mr. Speaker. I am proud to be part of it. Thank you.

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Mr. Braden's Reply
Item 10: Replies To Opening Address

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Replies to opening address. Petitions. Reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Social Programs undertook extensive consultations on Bill 7, the Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act, also known as SCAN, in all regions of the Northwest Territories, and heard from 42 different persons and organizations.

Despite the initial excitement at the community level on the department's first round of consultations in November and December 2006, it became obvious to committee members as we proceeded that residents had serious reservations with the final version of the legislation.

The concerns raised by residents of the Northwest Territories centred on the social implications of enacting the SCAN; the rights of an individual to face their accuser and appeal orders made under the act, and the extent of the powers that would be given to officers appointed under the act.

Hearings were held in Yellowknife on April 19th and 20th and on August 14, 2007; in Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk on April 23, 2007; in Ulukhaktok on April 24, 2007; in Colville Lake on April 25, 2007; in Behchoko on April 26, 2007, and, finally, in Fort Smith on May 30, 2007.

Residents of the Northwest Territories raised the following concerns with the proposed Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act.

Canada's Charter And The SCAN Legislation
Item 12: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Even though the committee received advice that Bill 7, as it is written, is in accordance with Canada's Charter, we should be mindful that Canada's Charter is an ever-evolving document that is constantly being reinterpreted by legislators and the judicial system.

With a program like the SCAN office, it would not be unreasonable to assume that it, too, would evolve, and that the actual practices in enforcing the act or the regulations could be in contradiction of the Charter at some point in the future.

With this in mind, the committee believes it would be beneficial to quote the concerns raised by the NWT Human Rights Commission in their written submission:

“Section 2(d) of the Charter protects freedom of association. Bill 7 could be seen as punishing individuals for freedom of association. For example, persons living in a unit under investigation may be adversely affected even though they are not engaged in criminal or other activities. Yet, their privacy can be invaded and residence taken away. The appeal mechanisms are onerous and do not provide for meaningful protection for an innocent occupant.

“Section 6(2) of the Charter protects the right of every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada to move and take up residence in any province. The Minister of Justice has made it clear that “if the people who are causing the problem move to another house, we will gather evidence and evict them again. We will follow them wherever they go until they stop their illegal activities or leave the NWT” (Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Legislation: A consultation paper about a proposed new way to make their community safer, page 1). Bill 7 sets up a process where privacy can be invaded, due process denied, and persons can be harassed until they are forced to leave the NWT.

“Section 7 of the Charter protects the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice. Yet, there are violations of the principles of fundamental justice in Bill 7. For example:

  • Bill 7 can require self-incrimination. Failure to do so could result in being charged with a criminal offence and imprisoned for up to a year (Section 30 and 66);
  • Bill 7 can allow the Director of Safer Communities (the “Director”) to designate a fortified building as a threat to public safety in the absence of a hearing (Section 41). The Director can then impose a closure/eviction order without notice to the owner or occupant;
  • Bill 7 requires a low standard of proof given the severity of losing one's home or facing imprisonment;
  • Bill 7 denies the rights of the accused person to face their accuser or to have all information necessary to mount a defence. Indeed, Bill 7 does not even guarantee that occupants can argue in their own defence.

“Section 8 of the Charter guarantees the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure. The search and seizure provisions in Bill 7 are broad. For example, neighbours could gather video surveillance in support of their own application for a Community Safety Order (“CSO”). Government agencies and individuals could be forced to provide confidential information or face fines or imprisonment if they refuse. There is no requirement for a warrant for this information. Also, Bill 7 allows for an intrusive investigative process in which the Director can place dwelling houses and other places under video surveillance.

“Section 1 of the Charter states that a government can infringe upon Charter rights if the infringement is a reasonable limit “prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” Bill 7 exceeds this reasonable limit.”