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Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In the Capital Estimates for the next year and the next three years I guess we must have fallen off the list. It’s not fair for Nunakput and it’s not fair for Tu Nedhe. All week my Member’s statements have been regarding the elders facility I want to get built in Tuktoyaktuk. We’re not wanting to send our elders away from their homes. It’s simple little things like that.

In Tuk there’s overcrowding in the school. Having to share bathrooms, it’s not right. We’ve got sea cans outside for storage, but then we can build a $130 million super school in Inuvik, where I attended high school. It’s just not fair to us. My people expect to be treated fairly; I expect to get no more and no less for my people. I’m here to almost stir things up today, I guess. I’m not making any friends here.

In Sachs Harbour we’ve got a water truck pump that breaks down. It takes two to three days before parts are flown into the community to get water delivered. That’s not right.

Talking to the monies we are getting for the next three years, I probably couldn’t even buy the insulation for the retrofit at Kam Lake school if it wasn’t for the federal monies that are going in through the Building Canada Fund for my access road. This is not fair.

My people have the highest cost of living in the Northwest Territories. I have elders — I sound like a broken record sometimes in regard to telling you — who have no groceries; families are living from day to day; power bills are too high. After seeing this, oh man, I’ve got to try to get on this list somehow. If it means clawbacks, it’s got to be done.

We’re really busy trying to get on the list for the stuff I am bringing up. I’ll be bringing stuff in the House next week to see if we could put them on the list. Some Ministers’ ridings have got some stuff put on the list for this last year that has been pushed through. Hopefully, I’ll get the same satisfaction of seeing something done.

The Minister said earlier in his statement that the $12 million capital needs for the 20 year assessment has got to be looked at sooner than later. It’s got to be fair. All the money that I’m hearing…. It’s not right; it’s not fair for the people. You’ve got four communities in the Northwest Territories that are like a vacuum for this money, but then the small communities are waiting for handouts. It’s not right.

Like I said, we fell off the list; I’m trying to get back on. We need to meet the needs of my people of Nunakput and be treated fairly on this.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson. Minister Miltenberger.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the Member’s concerns and comments.

I’d just like to add another project that’s on the list that should help with the cost of living. If we move forward once again with the ability to progress on our alternative energy priorities, the Tuk wind farm, which would be a significant investment, is one of the ones on the top of the list to be done when those resources become available.

I’d also like to suggest that even though it’s not part of this capital plan, there is the housing capital allocation for communities that may be of interest. I’m not sure what’s all in there for the ’09–10 budget, but it would help round off some of the concerns. Many of the concerns raised by Members in regard to the capital plan actually touched on housing, just as an information item.

The other comment is with the infrastructure money to communities. The Member for Nunakput’s

communities will be getting $4.6 million as well for their community needs over the coming year, ’09–10.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

To answer, Mr. Minister, $4.6 million is a lot of money. Probably you get that on the interest rate on your $100 million school we’re building. All I’m going to say, again, is that it’s not fair. We’ve got to do something about it. If it wasn’t for the federal monies, I wouldn’t be getting anything. Thank you. That’s all I have to say.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson. I didn’t hear a question. I’ll take it as a comment. Next on my list is Mr. Beaulieu.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It’s a question for the Minister. I’m fairly certain that the deferred maintenance program is for buildings only, but just for confirmation I want to know if the GNWT did an evaluation of its buildings, roads and equipment prior to the expenditures for this year, the ’08–09 $5 million expenditures. I was wondering if there was any evaluation done prior to that to determine the cap, to determine where the money got spent.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister Miltenberger.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The initial work on quantifying the deferred maintenance amount was focused on buildings only.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Did the GNWT evaluate its buildings to complete the deferred maintenance programs in order to determine the allocations for this year and future years?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Mr. Aumond.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, we have inspected close to 500 assets to date. We’ve sorted them by community but also sorted them by priority. With the money we do have available through the deferred maintenance initiative, also through combining with the large capital plan, our intention is to address the priority one, which is the critical infrastructure and is estimated at around $20 million out of the $350 million or so we’ve identified to date. That’s spread out among most of the communities we’ve identified, and we’ve shared the plan for ’08–09 with the committee. We do have a four year plan as well that we can share.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

October 7th, 2008

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Just to confirm, the Department of Public Works will share the deferred maintenance plan with Regular Members.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

We can share the plan. The ’09–10 plan has already been shared with committee and with Members. As the year is going forward, we can also share as well.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

I must have missed that. I didn’t see the deferred maintenance plan, but that’s good. I’ll look forward to getting a copy of the deferred maintenance plan for this year and just look forward to receiving the rest of the plan.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. I didn’t hear a question, more of a comment. Next on my list is Mr. Ramsay.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just had a couple of questions, and they get back to the planning process and how things are signed off.

When we look at negotiated contracts.... There was a bit of an exchange earlier today. I just wanted, I guess, to get some clarity on where in the process a negotiated contract is signed off, when exactly that happens. Maybe the Minister could help me out a little bit.

On a negotiated contract when in the process does that get signed? I’m asking, because earlier today a Minister said that a contract was signed. But if it hasn’t been approved by us, what contract are you signing? What’s it for, and how much is it for?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Aumond.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. There is a Negotiated Contracts Policy that this government must follow when awarding contracts through that type of process. Generally, the conditions on a negotiated contract are that you need to have community support through the support of the mayor and the MLA, and it has to have Cabinet approval.

Once Cabinet has approved a negotiated contract, you still need to negotiate that contract with the contractor on the agreed upon price. If you can’t come to an agreement on a price, then you need to go back and seek authority for more money, if that’s the case. Sometimes you can’t reach a deal and you don’t follow through with a negotiated contract. There’s a policy in place that must be adhered to, and it’s a public policy. It’s been around for a long time. It was just revised last fall. That has to be followed and is followed.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

What was agreed to last year in terms of capital dollars for the school in Inuvik? Again, I’m not saying we shouldn’t be building a school or anything like that — I don’t want to upset anybody — but how much is that school going to cost us today, and are we still negotiating how much it’s going to cost us? I think that’s a legitimate question. I’d be asking the same question if that school was being built in Yellowknife; trust me.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

We have awarded a contract for the school in Inuvik, but we have not signed a contract between the parties. The parties have agreed on a

price, subject to the final details being worked out, and the price is within the authority that the department had been given by Cabinet to negotiate the contract for.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

I’m just having a little bit of trouble understanding, then, because earlier today, I believe, the Minister said that a contract was signed. Specifically, what are they signing? Obviously, it sounds like the negotiations are still ongoing; there hasn’t been approval. When does the approval of the Members of this House come into play? I know we approved some dollars last year, but they’re carried over, and that project still hasn’t proceeded. So what are we signing? Is it a blank cheque?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Essentially, we have authority to negotiate up to a certain limit by Cabinet. We have an agreement with the contractor on that price. There are still some other administrative details to be worked out before the contract can be signed. We have a letter of award to the contractor, and we have not yet signed a contract. There are still some details to be worked out, but the price has been agreed to, and it is within the authority that we have from Cabinet to negotiate the contract for.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Was that amount approved by this House, or was that amount approved by Cabinet?

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Minister Miltenberger.

Tabled Document 93-16(2) Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2009–2010
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Contracts are always subject to approval by the House.