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Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
Oral Questions

May 21st, 2008

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier in light of my Member’s statement.

Everybody realizes we have a major problem all around the world in regard to energy costs and problems with food shortages. As a government we realize that one of our biggest expenditures is dealing with generating power, heating our facilities and maintaining public infrastructure.

I’d like to ask the Premier: is this government tracking exactly where these increases are going and what the impact of this government’s going to be, knowing we have an area of about $45 million in forced growth already and we continue to see this trend? If anything, it continues to go up. It will have a major impact, especially in small, high-cost communities.

I’d like to ask the Premier: what is this government doing to consider looking at the problem we’re having, and more importantly, is there anything we can do to remedy the situation?

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The Hon. Premier, Mr. Roland.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of initiatives we can undertake and are planning to undertake in the area of energy — the cost of energy and fuel costs in the Northwest Territories. We have some existing programs in place; for example, the Territorial Power Support Program. The Member is accurate when he talks about the increased costs. We have to keep growing that fund through our forced-growth initiatives. The price of oil going up as it is, as fast as it is, continues to have an impact on us. As we’re all aware, the Power Corporation has just got its last rate application approved. That hits on the pocketbooks of individuals.

So we’re going to have to make some changes in the way we do business. Some of it is long term, but, as well, we’ve established the Energy Coordinating Committee within Cabinet to look at a number of initiatives. One that you heard me talk about earlier is alternative energy sources, further development of our hydro potential. We’d be all blessed if we could have the hydro potential a number of communities in the southern part of our territory enjoy. We need to look at how we can

expand that going north. In between that time is when we can get that underway.

We’d have to look at our existing frameworks. For example, right now we try to match the cost of power for the 700 kilowatt hours in Yellowknife for those that are higher priced than Yellowknife — dealing with that scenario. As well, we’re going to have to look at other forums. I believe as we get through the process, as we’re getting into in the budget, biomass options are another thing we have to look at as a government.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I’m talking about the communities who have high dependency on diesel fuel. It’s going to be several years before this government gets around to seeing any of the energy initiatives that can change that. Yet we’re stuck with a scenario where we have diesel generators, we have community rates that are very high, and we have the high cost to operate and maintain public infrastructure.

I’d like to ask the Minister if they are doing anything to look at diesel communities in light of energy prices and in light of the cost of diesel fuel to run our public infrastructures. Communities in the Delta were paying $1.61 per litre for diesel fuel. To fill up your fuel tank in your home and your house is $2,000. It is affecting the residents in the Inuvik region.

I’d like to ask the Minister if he is looking at the diesel communities in the Northwest Territories and planning a scenario to deal with that problem.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

We are indeed looking at diesel communities and power production. The rate base right now.... Through the existing structure we deal with communities at a community rate–based structure scenario. I think we need to have that debate as Members of the Assembly.

For example, at the Association of Communities I spoke to the fact that how we treat the Power Corporation as the sole shareholder in the Northwest Territories has to be reviewed in the sense of.... Right now we match everybody, as I said earlier, to the 700 kilowatt hours, but after that you pay a community rate base. Some communities have a very high cost. Here’s an opportunity we need to look at. For example, after 700 kilowatt hours, should there be a unified rate across the Territories, treating it as a territorial piece of infrastructure and not as a community piece of infrastructure? Those scenarios need to be looked at, and that Energy Coordinating Committee will be looking at those types of options.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I also touched on the other element: dealing with being able to look at the cost of food. It is going up. We do have a major cost for transportation — goods and services into communities by air, by road. Again, those costs are passed on to the consumers.

I’d like to ask the Minister how we’re going to look at the food prices as part of this review in light of your energy costs, and also the costs in regard to consumption. I talked to the mayor of Paulatuk, who told me that a case of 12 cans of pop is $60. You look at milk in Tuktoyaktuk; for 2 litres it’s $10. And those costs are going to go up.

So I’d like to know if you are also looking at the food-consumption costs in those communities and if there are ways we can work around that.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Through the Reducing the Cost of Living initiative we’ve discussed as Members of the Assembly — and Ms. Lee will be the lead on that file — we’re looking at a number of factors. Other things we’ve heard of, for example, are directives that are supposed to help the high-cost communities with a Food Mail Program that is there by the federal government. We need to look at that to see how it’s working. I’ve heard from a number of people and businesses who say it’s not working as it was designed to. We need to look at that to see if there’s a real, true impact on communities. It’s supposed to help that transportation fee the Member is talking about.

Some of our other programs we talked about -- the Income Support Program.... The food baskets in those communities at a high cost are adjusted for those communities. That continues to be something we look at as part of the forced growth. For people who aren’t on income support or don’t have the need for it, the direct impact on them is another thing we’re going to have to look at. Some of our initiatives, the big ones, are the cost of energy and transportation. You’ll see we’re proposing some investment in those areas to help try to reduce the cost. For example, some of the Transport Canada regulations on airports reducing the size of planes going into those communities could have a further negative impact. We’re trying to address those as we go forward.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I’d like to ask the Premier: how soon is the committee that he mentioned going to be able to meet with Regular Members and ensure that Regular Members have input into this process, realizing that this is probably one of the biggest issues we’ll deal with during the term of the 16th Assembly? That is, just dealing with the outside pressures to sustain our communities in the Northwest Territories.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

One thing I’ve said to all the Ministers who have lead roles on these initiatives is to make contact with standing committees to set up some times to do the presentations and briefings of information we have so we can get some feedback and further work on a number of scenarios. That’s going to be something we’ll need to work out between committees and Cabinet as well.

Question 154-16(2) Rising Fuel And Energy Costs
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Member from Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, my question today will be to the Minister of Transportation, and it refers back to my Member’s statement regarding the airport issue and parking.

It may sound like a silly issue to raise, but this has been a problem over a long time. The fact is that we’re losing probably hundreds of thousands of dollars out there because no one’s charging for any parking whatsoever. That’s the fact. On the one hand, we have budget cuts because we can’t seem to raise enough money. We have to find ways. Yet on the other hand, we’re wasting or foregoing potential revenue that could be going somewhere useful.

My question to the Minister of Transportation is: will he heed my consideration by following up on it and getting rid of this silly machine and use a clipboard and a pencil and a double-check a couple of times a day to manage the parking out there properly and collect revenues? That is really the issue.

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The honourable Minister of Transportation, Mr. Yakeleya.

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Minister of Transportation

I thank the Member for his interest in improving transportation services across the Northwest Territories, especially with improving services at the airport, such as the territorial airport in Yellowknife. This includes the parking services. Over the years several different types of machinery operations and management systems have been placed at the Yellowknife airport and tested. Increased travel has caused us some difficulties in terms of finding a workable solution. I’d be happy to have some discussions with my colleagues and the Member as soon as possible to rectify this issue.

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, my suggestion is maybe getting security out there to do a check maybe two, three times a day and maybe at the end of the day, because if you didn’t pay or get on the list, you don’t need to be out there.

Would the Minister take that into consideration? And can he give me some type of time frame as to when he thinks he can look into this and maybe report back to the House on any potential results?

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Minister of Transportation

As you informed the House, an RFP was issued out to the public. We’re happy to announce that Trafco, the contractor, has been awarded the contract. They’re working on it right now as we talk in terms of installing a new system for parking fees up at the Yellowknife

Airport. I’m hoping that this new parking management system.... We expect it to be running this summer.

As we continue on with this project, I’ll be happy to inform the Members in the House in terms of when this system will be in operation for the public to start paying their parking fees at the Yellowknife Airport.

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

I was going to leave it at that, but the Minister couldn’t help but tease me with a new parking-management system that’s coming forward. So maybe we should get some enlightenment as to that. What does the Minister mean by that? Does he mean maybe the pencil, paper and clipboard technology I was suggesting, or is he going to spend another $20,000, $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 on a potential machine that we have no guarantee will work out there?

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Minister of Transportation

When we put in our operation system, the number of years we tested it — the old system.... Now we’re confident we have a new system that will be installed, that will be tested and that will ensure the public will be quite satisfied in terms of ensuring our revenues collected at the Yellowknife Airport will be satisfactory to the department. I will keep the Members informed and the House also informed as to the operation of the new system.

Question 155-16(2) Yellowknife Airport Parking
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Menicoche.

Question 156-16(2) Maintenance And Repairs To Liard Highway
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

It’s a follow-up on my Member’s statement with regard to the conditions on Highway No. 7.

I’d just like to ask the Minister of Transportation: with regard to emergency deterioration of highways, what exactly classifies for emergency roadwork on our highway systems? Is it something like the sinkhole on Highway No. 5 or situations such as this on Highway No. 7, where the base has completely eroded and it’s actually just a strip of mud there? Exactly what would be considered for emergency funding?

Question 156-16(2) Maintenance And Repairs To Liard Highway
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. The honourable Minister of Transportation, Mr. Yakeleya.

Question 156-16(2) Maintenance And Repairs To Liard Highway
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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to thank the Member for his question on the highway emergency stoppage of our roads. Highway transportation, from our department and officials.... The safety of the travelling public is number one. When we deem there are safety issues that jeopardize the lives of people who travel on the highway, we will take great measures to close the highway, to fix it up, and to ensure those safety measures are in place on the highway and, when

the highways are opened, that the public is aware of the safety measures in place for their own safety.

With the thawing out in the spring and the amount of water in some of those sections of highway, we take extra precautions in terms of safety for our travelling public. This Highway No. 7 right now is closed for safety reasons.

Question 156-16(2) Maintenance And Repairs To Liard Highway
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Absolutely. As I said in my Member’s statement, it’s regretful that the highway has to close, because the conditions are impossible. It has actually happened on the long weekend as well, Mr. Speaker. Constituents and the travelling public contacted my office. They’re saying that there’s no signage there; what’s going on? Why are people getting stuck in that highway? And why wasn’t it closed earlier? I’m not too sure why they didn’t close it any earlier there. But like I said, regretfully, they’ve closed it now.

Now that the condition exists, that they’ve recognized it, I’d like to know what the plans would be to repair it and not just to allow it to dry up and blade it over.

Question 156-16(2) Maintenance And Repairs To Liard Highway
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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, our

department is working very closely with the contractor who takes care of Highway No. 7 — parts of the highway. We are working closely with the community; we are working closely with the contractors and thus would look at some of the plans to open that highway as quickly as possible. We are looking at the situation.

The weather is not on our side at this time, in terms of the type of weather we have to operate in; however, I will keep the Member informed in terms of how soon we could make it passable for people in the Nahendeh riding to drive over. Also, we ask the public to contact the regional office through our telephone system to have some warning of the conditions of the roads at this time in the Northwest Territories.

Question 156-16(2) Maintenance And Repairs To Liard Highway
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Absolutely, getting the highway back up and running for the travelling public.... A lot of people do travel to Fort Liard and Fort Simpson as well as head over to Providence and Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker. We’re on the edge of the tourism season, as well.

But my question again, Mr. Speaker, is that these sections obviously need rebasing and to be re-strengthened. I’d like to know: will the department declare this an emergency and provide the necessary funding to repair the road up to acceptable highway standards? Mahsi.

Question 156-16(2) Maintenance And Repairs To Liard Highway
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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I said before that the department is working closely with the contractor for that section of road. We do have resources there; we are looking at the situation. I’m waiting for the report from my officials to see the type of assessment and analysis and

recommendations they would consider for this road. My understanding is that they are working on it as quickly as possible. At this time I would wait to give further direction as to what the Member’s asking for, in terms of emergency funding for that specific section of the road.