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Question 180-16(2) Staff Housing In Small Communities
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Question 180-16(2) Staff Housing In Small Communities
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Can the Premier commit to come back to this House with some of those types of initiatives, so that we can also take them back to our constituencies and meet with the district education boards and health boards to find solutions to these problems we’re having with recruiting?

Question 180-16(2) Staff Housing In Small Communities
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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

We’re willing to sit down and look at those types of options with the Members and committees to see what avenues we can look at. We realize there are pressures there and we’re trying to find ways to mitigate that.

Question 180-16(2) Staff Housing In Small Communities
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement this afternoon and ask the Minister of ENR, who I believe is responsible for a response to climate change, what exactly he is doing to address climate change given that we are recognizing increasingly that there is a strong element of time and the need for immediate and comprehensive response.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re doing a number of things. We’re looking at, hopefully in the next number of weeks before the end of session, being able to come forward with a framework for a water strategy that is going to allow us to deal with a very crucial issue that’s directly impacted by climate changes and global warming in addition to the huge development pressures.

We’re also going to be working on a land use framework that will give us a clear base to look at issues such as the pace of development, where we develop, how fast we develop, is it in our best interest, and how does it fit with all the other demands and needs to protect the land.

We have our own Greenhouse Gas Strategy. Granted, it is somewhat inward-looking.

We’re going to be looking at a biomass strategy that’s going to look seriously at the opportunity to replace those diesel generators in communities that are now providing electricity with wood pellet generators.

We want to look at the hydro expansion in small communities, but we also want to take a look at the opportunity to redirect the transmission line that’s currently being planned to go around the East Arm. We want to consider the benefit of moving that closer to Yellowknife, which burned 18 per cent last year on diesel, to provide the electricity for the community.

We’re shifting over to electric heat in some of the communities. In the South Slave we’re switching over to electric heat to see how that works. In Behchoko we’re working, and in the North Slave Correctional Centre we put in wood pellet boilers.

So we have a number of initiatives. We’re committed. We have a wind strategy up in Nunakput. We’re committed to looking at the opportunity there to do a pilot project in conjunction with other alternatives to see what’s possible there.

So we have a whole array of things that we’re doing.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you for those remarks. I acknowledge that we have a number of programs that are getting off the ground, and I’m encouraged that we are going to be learning from that and that we’re starting to pay attention to the public here and the evidence that is strongly before us. Our Greenhouse Gas Strategy, if you would call it that, which commits itself to a 10 per cent reduction from 2001 levels by a certain date, is hardly significant when we are well on our way to or past doubling and are now on our way to tripling our greenhouse gas emissions. What we need is an absolute decrease in that. There are many jurisdictions, such as the Western Climate Initiative states and provinces, that are moving on this.

What are we doing to get real and move in a very comprehensive way to reducing absolute amounts of greenhouse gas emissions in the Northwest Territories that are currently doing us in?

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

We’re in the process of working with Priorities and Planning to set up a joint climate change committee. One of the things that will be on there is the work plan. We have existing strategies, like the Energy Plan, the Greenhouse Gas Strategy, that are going to be there for review. Clearly, that was done in a different time; it was done along with the energy strategy to access funds for other projects like mini-hydro and the Taltson

project. Collectively, working

together, we’re going to have an opportunity here, early on in the life of this Assembly, to revisit some

of those policies and those programs and look at how we can improve them.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Again, thank you for those remarks, and I appreciate hearing those things are happening. Again, we need a really comprehensive response. What authority does the Minister have? As Ms. Bisaro pointed out, this response is required from every department and agency in the Northwest Territories, and in fact, we need the help of industry and residents as well. What authority does this Minister have, over at least those other government departments, to get some mandatory action on this issue, for a net reduction in greenhouse gas emissions?

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I’m a Member of this Legislature, I’m a member of Cabinet. Clearly we have to…. There’s a process. We want to engage with the Members, with the Climate Change Committee. We want to identify some of the priorities. We’re continuing to look at some of these other issues, as well, and to the Energy Coordinating Committee and other committees. Some of the things I’m talking about, for example, biomass, I believe, would have a direct impact on the cost of living in communities, both to individuals and businesses. So the initial point of call will be the structuring of this committee so we can get up and running and operational as soon as possible to lay out the issues we want to pursue.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I’d like the Minister to commit to requiring every department to come up with its own plan — and this is on both the climate change and the cost of fuel end of things. As a responsible government, we really need to respond to the cost of fuel as well as the climate change issue, which are closely related. So will this Minister commit to get each department to aggressively develop, in the very short term here, plans to deal with those issues that are concrete — again, that result in net reductions in greenhouse gas emissions of a significant level?

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I will commit to put that on item number one at the top of the agenda for our committee so that we can, in fact, do the proper groundwork to have a coherent clear message we want to bring forward as a Legislature and as a government. As we move into the business planning process, we can give the government a chance to gear up and give a chance for full input from the members as well as, of course, my Cabinet colleagues.

Question 181-16(2) Comprehensive Response To Climate Change Concerns
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Menicoche.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Earlier in my Member’s statement, I talked about the diesel fuel spill in Trout Lake. In my opinion, this contamination was avoidable. Northland Utilities knew that the tank was sitting on unstable ground. Why was there no berm in place and why wasn’t a flexible feeding pipe used from the beginning? The community of Trout Lake is most concerned about avoiding anything similar happening again.

My question to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources concerns the planning and preparedness of such emergency situations, where the goal is to prevent situations like this from happening again. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister explain what safety features, like shut-off valves, are currently required for fuel tanks and for feeding pipes, to prevent fuel spills, and what other features like berms are required to control contamination, should there be a release of fuel? Mahsi.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche. The

honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding was that the fuel tank in question was a double-walled tank, which is supposed to preclude the need for a berm. Clearly, there was a failure not with the tank itself but the connection from the valve to the tank and from that valve to the hose.

Clearly, the Member has raised some good points. Environment and Natural Resources is dealing with the cleanup, but we’re going to be working as the government, with ENR as the lead agency, to do a debriefing and review to make sure, in this circumstance, what happened and why, to preclude that it ever happens again — and to make sure that we check our other facilities so that we don’t have any other of these types of circumstances just waiting to happen.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, it’s been my experience that double-walled tanks…. There are certainly reasons for having double-walled tanks — they’re meant for temporary installations. Maybe the Minister can clarify this for me: I think that double-walled tanks, if they’re intended to be permanent, that there indeed be a berm attached. As well, with any tanks there, we’ve got lots of unstable ground, and all the tanks should have at least the minimal flexible coupling. Can the Minister advise me of the current regulations? Mahsi.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I’ll check on those specific details and provide that information to the Member.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

The NWT has an Environmental Protection Act. Under this act, we also have a consolidation of spill contingency planning and reporting regulations. Anyone who stores more than 20,000 litres of contaminants above ground needs to file a spill contingency plan with the department. Can the Minister confirm that Northland Utilities had filed a spill contingency plan for the Trout Lake power station operation that accounts sufficiently for the circumstances and remoteness of that community? Mahsi.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, clearly, once this spill was discovered and the notification was made, there was a full response from ATCO, Northland Utilities, ENR, and all the other involved government agencies, to make sure that it was handled in the most appropriate way. There will be a debriefing and review of this whole incident once remediation has been dealt with, and all those issues and items raised by the Member will be addressed.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

I’m very glad to hear that the situation will be adequately assessed and a determination to review the regulations. I’m looking for that as well. Small and remote communities, even more so, need adequate protection measures, and I’d like to see our current existing legislation certainly accommodate that, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I will commit to sharing that information, as it comes ready, with the Member and with the appropriate committee, so that we can all have our input into this particular situation.

Question 182-16(2) Trout Lake Fuel Spill
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

The Member for Kam Lake, Mr. Ramsay.