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Tabled Document 16-16(5): List Of Visits To Communities By Authorities In 2008-2009
Tabling of Documents

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have three documents to table. List of visits to communities in 2008-2009 by physiotherapists and occupational therapists.

Tabled Document 17-16(5): List Of Attendees To The Outpatient Clinic At Stanton Territorial Hospital For 2008-2009
Tabling of Documents

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

List of attendees to the outpatient clinic by community in 2008-2009.

Tabled Document 18-16(5): List Of Number Of People On Wait List For Physiotherapy And Occupational Therapy Services, January 1, 2010
Tabling of Documents

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

List of number of people on waitlist for physiotherapy and occupational therapy services as of January 1, 2010.

Tabled Document 18-16(5): List Of Number Of People On Wait List For Physiotherapy And Occupational Therapy Services, January 1, 2010
Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Robert McLeod.

Tabled Document 19-16(5): Water And Sewer Services Funding
Tabling of Documents

March 24th, 2010

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my Return to Written Question 5-16(5), I wish to table the following document entitled Water and Sewer Services Funding.

Tabled Document 19-16(5): Water And Sewer Services Funding
Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Tabled Document 20-16(5): Resolution Of The City Of Yellowknife Municipal Services Committee Regarding Use Of Communications Devices While Driving
Tabling of Documents

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to table a motion done by the Municipal Services Committee of the City of Yellowknife. It’s a resolution regarding the use of communication devices while driving. The resolution is to be forwarded to the NWT Association of Communities. It speaks to the concern of this issue.

Tabled Document 20-16(5): Resolution Of The City Of Yellowknife Municipal Services Committee Regarding Use Of Communications Devices While Driving
Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Item 15, notices of motion. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Motion 6-16(5): Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 11, 2010
Notices of Motion

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Monday, March 29, 2010, I will move the following motion: I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that, notwithstanding Rule 4, when this House adjourns on Thursday, March 25, 2010, it shall be adjourned until Tuesday, May 11, 2010; and further, that any time prior to May 11, 2010, if the Speaker is satisfied, after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time.

At the appropriate time I will be seeking unanimous consent to deal with this motion today.

Motion 6-16(5): Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 11, 2010
Notices of Motion

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Motion 6-16(5): Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 11, 2010
Notices of Motion

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to deal with the motion I gave notice of earlier today.

---Unanimous consent granted.

Motion 6-16(5): Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 11, 2010, Carried
Motions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that, notwithstanding Rule 4, when this House adjourns

on Thursday, March 25, 2010, it shall be adjourned until Tuesday, May 11, 2010;

AND FURTHER, that any time prior to May 11, 2010, if the Speaker is satisfied, after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time.

Motion 6-16(5): Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 11, 2010, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. A motion is on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Motion 6-16(5): Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 11, 2010, Carried
Motions

Some Hon. Members

Question.

Motion 6-16(5): Extended Adjournment Of The House To May 11, 2010, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Question has been called.

---Carried

Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. The honourable Premier, Mr. Roland.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Deh Cho, that Bill 6, Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011, be read for the second time.

This bill makes supplementary appropriations for infrastructure expenditures for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the 2010-2011 fiscal year.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. A motion is on the floor. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. The honourable Member for Kam Lake, Mr. Ramsay.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to speak to the principle of the bill. It’s not a bill that I can see myself supporting for a number of reasons. I think first and foremost I’m not convinced that the decisions that the government has made pertaining to the Deh Cho Bridge Project after the issues with the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation came to light and we’ve taken over the project. The first thing the government did was take the recommendation of the former project managers there to go to a sole-source contract with Ruskin. My opinion is that was the wrong thing to do. I do believe we should have gone to the marketplace on this. That’s my firm belief. I don’t understand how the government could get into another sole-source negotiated contract arrangement with one company, not fully understanding or knowing where

the project’s been and the audit, in my mind, should have been done before the government went out to the marketplace for what would have been a proper tendering process so that we could ensure for the public in the Northwest Territories that we were in fact getting the best price for the completion of this massive piece of public infrastructure.

Mr. Speaker, I also don’t believe that the project is going to be completed by November of 2011, like the government seems to think that it’s going to be completed by. Timing was a big issue when it came to the decision to negotiate that deal with Ruskin for the completion of that bridge. My belief is, again, this will not happen.

I also do not believe for one second that the final price tag on this bridge is going to be $182 million. I believe it’s going to be much higher than that.

I understand and I appreciate the position that Members are in and this government is now in. It is between a rock and a hard place, Mr. Speaker, make no mistake about that. We are in a very, very difficult position. But again, Mr. Speaker, on principle -- and that’s why I’m voting against Bill 6 -- I cannot support this, because I do not believe that the right decisions were made at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this bill asks us to approve spending $165 million on the Deh Cho Bridge. It’s a yes or a no decision so it should be seen as a simple one, but as we heard through our discussions on Tuesday afternoon, it’s anything but simple. There are many, many questions from Regular Members which remain as yet unanswered, not because Ministers don’t want to provide the answers but because they can’t. They don’t have the information to pass on to us. Negotiations aren’t finalized so the status of the Bridge Corp is unknown. Deficiency tests aren’t completed so the quality of the work to date is unknown. Costs for the bridge after completion can’t be clearly identified because the date is not available. Impacts on future budgets can’t be determined because, well, because it’s the future and it’s uncertain.

I am not happy that I am now forced into this decision. There is only one path for me to walk down. There is only one option open to me for consideration. There is no opportunity to slow down the decision and to take the time to conscientiously consider the ramifications of the vote. I’ve harboured doubts and concerns about this project from the time I entered this House, and I am dismayed that those concerns have unfortunately proven to be valid. I feel like I’ve been backed into a corner and have been asked to choose the lesser of two evils. A yes vote means we take on this huge project and all the responsibilities and liabilities that

that entails in both a management and a financial sense. A no vote means the project probably dies and that result will cost us as much as if we carry on the project to complete.

But all that said, I do support construction of the Deh Cho Bridge. It will be a marvellous piece of infrastructure once it’s completed. So I look forward to project updates on a frequent and regular basis. I hope our new management team will bring this project in on time and on budget. I look forward to the results of an audit of the project and the implementations of recommendations from the audit, and I look forward to the establishment of protocols to govern the actions of this and future Assemblies in the months leading up to any territorial election. I will be voting in favour of this bill for two reasons: because we can’t turn back and it’s the right thing to do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, too, will be supporting the bill because I think we were faced with a challenge that certainly none of us wanted to be in, because when we first had some discussions with the Deh Cho Bridge it looked like it was good plan to go with and plans that probably would have worked out very well for the Deh Cho Corporation that involved the community of Fort Providence, members in Fort Providence, the Metis and the First Nation, the band.

Mr. Speaker, when things have gone astray or offside there, we had to step in in terms of how do we keep this megaproject on the go here. I think that the government has shown that there are some things that certainly needed to happen in terms of not pulling the piers out of the water here, so to speak. We had to do some things that are not very popular with some of the Members here in terms of how we go forward.

However, I’m saying this in terms of the principle, that this is a project that is only $182 million, in terms of when you look at the scope of us building and taking on… We talk about the Mackenzie Valley Highway, $1.8 billion. When you look at that in comparison to what we have here in the Northwest Territories, this certainly, and Members have given some really good questions to the government in terms of how this project is being put forward, that we take this as a real learning experience in terms of how do we go forward with the megaprojects.

So the point that I want to go is there are other bridges to be built in the Northwest Territories. This is one that takes a lot of energy. We’ve got some other major projects that we want to look at, so I hope that the government is paying close attention in terms of where the issues are with the Members in this House here in terms of putting major

infrastructure in the Northwest Territories and we go forward again. So I have no problems in terms of supporting this bill at this time.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will reluctantly be supporting this supplementary appropriation bill. It’s really more expensive not to proceed with this than to proceed, which is a sad state of affairs. This situation speaks to some serious management questions that beg for investigation and for some attention to make sure that any corrections that are needed are realized. I think the political decisions that got us into this situation also require further investigation and an objective look, again with an eye to plugging any process gaps that exist, and we know they do.

Clearly, there are major budget implications for the next decade or more as this project consumes a third of our debt room. I guess, to wrap it up, Mr. Speaker, in a brief sentence: this is a very sad situation and it can only be resolved through the long term. I think we need to bite the bullet here, and on that basis I will support the bill. Thank you.

Bill 6: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2010-2011
Second Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.