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Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Education since it is Education Week and our theme day on education has just been rolled out here. I think it’s important that there was a government policy made back in the 12th Assembly to implement K to 12 in

all communities in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, some 16 years later we still haven’t fully implemented the policy, in which there’s communities that still don’t have high schools such as the community I represent in Tsiigehtchic. I know that the Beaufort communities are in the same boat.

I think, Mr. Speaker, we have to ensure that we have the policy, that we’re able to implement it fully. The whole intention of the policy back then was to get away from having to send our children away from our home communities to regional centres in regard to having to attend school and high school, and also because of the residential school fallout from that. I think, Mr. Speaker, again, some 16 years later the policy’s been put in force and we’re still not having full implementation of K to 12 in all communities. I’d like to ask the Minister of Education what his department is doing to ensure that we can have high schools in communities such as the ones I represent such as Tsiigehtchic.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since the establishment of the policy that’s being referred to, the direction, it’s always been the mandate of this government, and also specifically the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, to have K to 12 into the school system in the communities that we represent. We have initiated some into the communities. It is at the discretion of the school boards and also the communities. If they want a high school to kick-start in their region, grade 10, grade 11, grade 12, then by all means we’re definitely open to discussion with the school boards, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we have initiated that and we will continue to do that with other regions such as the Beaufort-Delta, the Member’s riding, that may not have grade 12, but we’re open to discussing that with the district education council. Mahsi.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, in regard to the policy, there are challenges implementing the policy, especially when we’re putting roadblocks in the way of the communities by way of student-teacher ratio. The system we have now is 16 to 1. The community of Tsiigehtchic basically has maybe 38 students. Because of the ratio, the most teachers they’re going to get are two. For me, that is the problem with the policy and being able to implement the K to 12 strategy of getting high schools in all our communities.

As the Minister, I believe that you have to take into consideration the unique situations and you have to revamp the policy in regard to student-teacher ratio so the ratio is realistic and achievable in communities where you have low populations of students. I’d like to ask the Minister, would you consider looking at that as an area that we can work on to solve this problem of getting high schools in our communities?

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, this is an area that we can explore. We have explored other areas as well, and the policy development or establishment, and made some changes and amendments to certain policies. When it comes to student-teacher ratio, we’ve made some changes in the past that reflect on whether it be the inclusive schooling or other programming area. I’m committed that we can look at this area and if we need to make changes, I’ll definitely notify the standing committee, my colleagues, to say if we need to do this, we need to start planning together with the district education council and also with the district education authority as well. Mr. Speaker, I will look into this and see what can come out of this. Mahsi.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, another area I think the Minister should seriously look at is the whole

area of boarding of the students that have to leave their home communities and go to the regional centres. In Inuvik they had a hostel that was designed for the students from the Beaufort-Delta to go to Inuvik and take high school, which was costing over $400,000 a year. Since that, they’ve revamped the program where they’re basically allowing now for home board, or basically boarding the students with families in Inuvik, which is costing in excess of $200,000. So there’s a surplus of $200,000 somewhere in the system that could be used to enhance the programs in those communities that need additional teachers. Would you also consider looking into that as an area that we can find revenues to implement that idea?

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, in respect to the boarding, it is at the board level, the education board level. We provide funding for the students, the enrolment, and they provide funding to the various organizations to establish such as a boarding home. So if there’s a surplus, it goes back to the school board and it is at their discretion to allocate the funding to various programming or other areas as well.

As the Minister, I need to work with that with the school board and I can’t give them the direction to say you should spend that money in that area. I have to respect their decision, as well, but I will commit to this House that I will be working with the school board. Mahsi.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask the Minister to use some ministerial discretion here, because I believe that we’re failing our students in the small communities who are dropping out, who are going back home because they are not fully accommodated for their education like other students in their home communities. I’d like to ask the Minister to take some direction on this and look at the resources that you’re giving to the education boards and give it directly to the communities that need that resource. I believe that is where the bottleneck is and I believe the Minister has to take some action on this one, and the Minister should use some of his prerogative and make sure that those dollars are being spent in the communities where we’re seeing those students failing because they’re not achieving their high school abilities because of having to fall out of school because basically they’re not back in their home communities because the supports aren’t there.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, this is an area that I’m fully committed. The Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative, I’m looking forward to the Members’ discussion at that level when we’re in the Beaufort-Delta in May, along with other discussions, the solutions that will be brought to the

table and this will definitely be a part of it. We’ve heard from other Sahtu and other regions as well about the boarding and also the Deh Cho. I’m glad the Member is raising that issue and I’m looking forward to that discussion in May. Mahsi.

Question 532-16(5): Need For K To 12 In All Communities
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Public Works. Mr. Speaker, it’s regarding the Commissioner’s house of the Northwest Territories. Our present Commissioner won’t be taking up residency in the Commissioner’s house that we’ve allocated them for their privilege, of course, if that’s one that they want to exercise. It will be sitting empty for four years. Mr. Speaker, in the past, Bob Engle, a well-known aviation Northerner, has offered to give his house to the Northwest Territories for an appropriate tax credit. It’s more of a regal style of house to accept important foreign dignitaries, guests and whatnot. As anyone knows, a tax credit really doesn’t fall on the backs of the taxpayer. It really comes to it would work in both interests.

Mr. Speaker, has the Minister of Public Works ever entertained that type of discussion about accepting the Engle house as a potential formal Commissioner’s house, and maybe even looked at considering selling the present Commissioner’s house, which will sit empty for four to five years doing nothing? Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Michael McLeod.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Minister of Public Works and Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there were about three questions there. The answer to all three is no, we haven’t looked at it. It’s not a responsibility that falls under the Department of Public Works so we haven’t had any requests come to us about some of the suggestions he’s made and we have not reviewed any correspondence to that effect. Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Well, Mr. Speaker, I did inquire with that office regarding the cost of how much it would be to heat and power that empty Commissioner’s house that will be sitting empty between four and five years. Mr. Speaker, does the Minister of Public Works have the figures that it would cost the government to have that house sit empty for those four to five years? Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

February 23rd, 2011

Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Minister of Public Works and Services

Once again, the Member’s asking me questions that I know full well he has the answer in front of him. Mr. Speaker, it’s not something I have any information on at this point. I’m sure we have compiled that information. I

did have staff talk to me about some of the costs, I just don’t have it at this point. I’d have to, if the Member wanted to, provide it to him again. Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, it is not so much about the cost; it is about the waste of money. The fact is the house will be sitting between four and five years completely empty and there is no guarantee the next Commissioner of the Northwest Territories will be taking up residency in there, regardless if they are from Yellowknife or any other jurisdiction in NWT. Mr. Speaker, my question is simple. Would the Minister be able to work with the cross-Cabinet officials, depending on whether it is the Minister of Finance or even the Premier’s office, about looking and evaluating the offer made by Bob Engle a couple of years ago to this very government about accepting his house for a tax credit and perhaps maybe using the money and the proceeds of the present Commissioner’s house in sales to fix up that house for a proper regal house deserving of the people of the Northwest Territories that are represented? Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Minister of Public Works and Services

Mr. Speaker, once again, the request hasn’t come to my office. I believe the request did come to our government, but in the life of the 15th Assembly, so it is not

something I am currently reviewing. The request I believe at the time went to the Finance Minister’s office.

Mr. Speaker, if there is a suggestion that the Member is making, we can certainly consider them and bring it to the appropriate department. There are a number of rules that have to be followed that we have agreed to as a government with the Commissioner’s position and tax laws and federal requirements that we have to abide by. I would certainly welcome any suggestions that the Member has, if he wants us to consider putting the building up for sale. We would have to see what the circumstances around that would be and what the requirements that we would have to follow are. Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the Minister for that offer. I just want to put it officially on the record. Would the Minister be willing to entertain a meeting, if I can put one together, to discuss this very matter about looking at addressing possibly the Engle house as the new Commissioner’s house and, of course, further discussions about selling the present Commissioner’s house even though it is sitting vacant for four to five years? If he would be willing to agree to a meeting, that would be great. Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Minister of Public Works and Services

Mr. Speaker, if the Member would care to put it in writing, I would certainly consider it. Thank you.

Question 533-16(5): Sale Of Commissioner’s House
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 9, written questions. Item 10, returns to written questions. Item 11, replies to opening address. The honourable Member for Nunakput, Mr. Jacobson.

Mr. Jacobson’s Reply
Replies to Opening Address

Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to address the Assembly on the subject of devolution resource revenue sharing and why it is so important to the riding I represent in the Inuvialuit.

In my riding, we have some serious social and economic problems. For example, Canada in 1991 had a graduation rate of 61.8 percent. The Northwest Territories had 59.9 percent. In the Inuvialuit settlement region, including all students, was 53.8 percent, a difference of 6.1 in the Northwest Territories and 8 percent in Canada. By 2009, it increased to 17.8 percent to 79.6. The Northwest Territories increased 9.4 to 69.3 percent and the Inuvialuit settlement region went only 5.5 percent to 57.7. Statistics on Inuvialuit graduates have been only collected since 2004 and to 2009, graduation rates 38.6 percent, a difference of 34 percent within Canada; 30.7 percent of the Northwest Territories, almost twice the difference, Mr. Speaker.

There is also a dependency on the government for income support, low income levels in the region with average medium family income in 2006 in small Inuvialuit communities of Tuktoyaktuk, Aklavik, Paulatuk, Ulukhaktok and Sachs Harbour of $37,395 compared to Canada’s $63,600, 1.7 times greater in the Northwest Territories of $88,800, 2.4 times greater than those in the communities. This is also coupled by a high cost of living for these four small communities that have an average of twice the cost of living compared to here in Yellowknife. In reviewing education income levels, disturbing trend, Mr. Speaker, but curing the gap between Inuvialuit and territorial, national levels are widening. This means the efforts of this government do not focus on reducing the cost of living or improving the ability and skills so the next generation is able to achieve higher standards of living.

Communities still continue to pursue subsistence harvesting to close the income gap to feed their families. However, there is a concern and dependency on social housing, and income support reduces the motivation of individuals to improve their education, employment skills and seek meaningful employment. This is likely further

coupled by the lack of economic activity in the region. With the Inuvialuit beneficiaries, the unemployment rate is 2.5 times higher than the Northwest Territories rates and three times higher than Canada’s unemployment rates. The Inuvialuit culture remains strong, mainly through the dedication of our elders and growing interest of Inuvialuit youth. However, the youth of Inuvialuktun continues to decline, with 37 percent of Inuvialuit fluent in the language in 1984 to 23 percent in 2009.

There are also severe health and social problems in the communities, in particular addiction to alcohol and drugs. In our home community, last year’s survey conducted by the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation of close to 90 percent of people surveyed responded they experienced problems of addictions. This is something wrong, Mr. Speaker. The Inuvialuit are seeking to improve the standard of living. I would say the primary goal as set out in the Inuvialuit Final Agreement that we will continue to work towards the achievement of the goal without support of this government or other Aboriginal governments.

Devolution will provide additional resources that can be used to provide better education to address all social problems, but more importantly, to use as a tool to control major economic decisions. Implemented properly, we can control the resources that will generate wealth for all the people of the Northwest Territories including additional revenues for the Northwest Territories governments, both public and Aboriginal.

As you are aware, negotiation of the devolution of powers from the federal government to the North has always been difficult, particularly the relationship of land resources in which are a great concern to Aboriginal people. The Inuvialuit have consistently participated in these negotiations since the signing of the Northern Accord 20 years ago. Throughout this period, the Inuvialuit represented their interests and at times the negotiation process was stopped because there were differences between the parties. Last time the negotiations were halted, in 2007, the Government of the Northwest Territories refused the final offer from the Government of Canada. The Inuvialuit supported the Government of the Northwest Territories efforts to obtain a better deal and also agreed to a revenue sharing agreement-in-principle. The Government of the Northwest Territories did not achieve that all positions that there were some improvements, of course, and some realities we must all face.

The sharing of wealth, since 2007 the world economy has crashed; an economic downturn we’ve never seen and never known. Governments are continuing to address the problem by stimulating the economy. Canada is in no position today to increase the share of revenues but did

achieve an equalization formula that is provided for a new sharing arrangement for the resource revenues. It is extremely unlikely at the time that the Northwest Territories will be able to get a special deal or change the formula until the economy can support and improve transfer payments for resource sharing.

In regards to sharing the revenues, the Aboriginal people’s current revenue sharing arrangement, the Inuvialuit are part of 25 percent net fiscal benefit. The revenue sharing AIP also allows the sharing arrangement to be revisited through the context of self-government and transfer payments to the Aboriginal governments. These revenues will help the Aboriginal governments to address many social and education disparities and continue to strengthen their cultures and languages. Is it enough? No, Mr. Speaker, but it’s a start.

With an improved economy and control of the economy, other revenues negotiated with the Government of the Northwest Territories we should engage Aboriginal governments to fully achieve arrangements to share the government revenues and relationships and responsibilities. Again, there is no provision in the current AIP that allows for a revenue sharing arrangement to be negotiated before the final agreement between the Aboriginal governments and the Government of the Northwest Territories. These bilateral negotiations should begin as soon as possible to achieve mutually and beneficial arrangements for all.

The sharing of powers, the Inuvialuit Final Agreement was the first land claim agreement in the Northwest Territories and the fourth comprehensive land claim agreement in Canada. Since 1984 the Inuvialuit have worked hard to ensure the goals of the IFA be implemented with the spirit and intent of that agreement. That has not been an easy task, Mr. Speaker. Since 2007 we have encouraged our Government of the Northwest Territories to begin negotiations of the bilateral agreement of sharing of responsibilities related to the land, resources and water. The Government of the Northwest Territories refused to enter these negotiations until the AIP was signed and this created some discomfort with the Inuvialuit and other Aboriginal groups, because at the same time the Government of Canada proposed to reform regulatory systems that may impact the provisions of the land claim.

We have promoted the devolution and the instrument to take control over our land and resources, but we’re not working together to meet this goal. Negotiations between the Aboriginal governments, the power sharing arrangements should begin now to provide the necessary to all stakeholders, including industry and the authorities under the stakeholders the devolution agreement will be exercised in a responsible manner and

improve implementation of the treaty and land claim arrangements.

Again, a whole chapter of the devolution agreement and the principle of obligations that the Government of the Northwest Territories be negotiating bilateral agreements to clear evidence that these negotiations are going to be difficult should motivate the Government of the Northwest Territories to engage Aboriginal governments immediately. Aboriginal peoples and representative governments, the complementary of the world land claim of the agreements of opportunity to continue to work with the federal and territorial governments to clearly define their respective roles and responsibilities. The Inuvialuit will continue to protect the provisions of their land claim agreement and believe that they ought to be the primary beneficiaries of wealth generated by the resource development and devolution agreement is one step to achieving this objective.

This does not preclude others from making money, but impacts the Inuvialuit as a people of their region that face the social and cultural impacts of employment, business opportunities and programs, services that will help raise the living standards and manage potential impacts.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to make it clear to this Assembly that I do support the devolution agreement-in-principle and I’d strongly encourage the Premier to initiate discussions with further bilateral agreements between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Aboriginal peoples necessary in order to conclude the final agreement. Mr. Speaker, we must work together for the betterment of all the people in the Northwest Territories and make sure that everybody comes away from the table wanting to work together in an open-handed approach and not taking things personally. At the end of the day we’re here for our people, our people are suffering and this is a good way to help the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Mr. Jacobson’s Reply
Replies to Opening Address

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson. Item 12, petitions. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. Miltenberger.

Tabled Document 147-16(5): Caribou Forever – Our Heritage, Our Responsibility, A Barren-Ground Caribou Management Strategy For The NWT 2011-2015, Draft
Tabling of Documents

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document entitled Caribou Forever - Our Heritage, Our Responsibility,

A Barren-Ground Caribou Management Strategy for the Northwest Territories 2011-2015, Draft, February 2011. Thank you.