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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

I have one more question, Madam Chair. Because of the technology we are entering into and the support, I hope, and a larger, bigger picture from the federal government, are we receiving any type of federal funding to help us with this change to the electronic era of doing business within government? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

We haven’t received any federal money to help us with our internal human resource management system, no. We haven’t received any money federally to help us with our human resource management system. It’s an internal system to the Government of the

Northwest Territories and we fund it with GNWT dollars.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you. Anything further from Members? Any questions on this page, 2-4? Mr. Bromley.

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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to follow up a little bit on the questions about the ePerformance module that will replace the existing manual performance evaluation process with an expectation of efficiencies. I know that there are concerns about performance appraisals and, certainly many of us have spent time in government and know that the frequency of appraisals and so on were not very reliable, that the results of the appraisals didn’t follow through to appropriate action and, you know, whether good or bad, appropriate action or recognition and so on. I just can’t help but wonder if we’re relying more and more on expensive software where it is really a people issue. PeopleSoft takes away from people.

Can the Minister tell me what we are doing to ensure that people are dealing directly with people, and that there is a real human approach and solution to dealing with those issues? I just can’t imagine how an automated process and performance evaluation is in any way a benefit, except if it is a voice recording that can capture what you are saying and your discussions with your employee. What can the Minister tell me to explain why we are going to this automated route when what we need are people dealing with people? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Abernethy.

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. An ePerformance module is a tool that an employee and an employer can use when they are assessing the performance. This in no way, shape or form should take away from two people talking about progresses, and steps they can take to improve performance and start talking about where they want to go in the future by way of succession. But it does give us a way to formalize them in a standard document that we can use and track over time and compare to each other over time.

When we are talking about a paper system, often it was hard to track these over time to ensure that there was consistency. This system will also give us some indication as to how many are being done and how often, so that we can, as managers in the departments, go out and encourage their staff to actually complete these with their supervisors. For more of the specifics I will pass it to my deputy, Ms. Bassi-Kellett.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Ms. Bassi-Kellett.

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Sheila Bassi-Kellett

Thank you, Madam Chair. As the Minister has pointed out, effective

performance management does integrate a number of different things. It is people talking with people, absolutely. Effective management is supported by tools like performance management tools such as this one. We really know that in doing an effective performance management system, we really need to integrate individual work planning and goal setting to make sure it aligns and supports corporate goals of the department and the Assembly overall. We look at performance objectives as well as the ability to recognize excellent work that is done by many members of the public service and also to identify developmental needs and opportunities should they arise as well.

ePerformance is a tool that will help us to standardize a lot of this, to give the guidance to managers as they are working with their staff to be able to look at this. It provides a template that does have flexibility for managers to be able to build in some of the unique needs that they may have in managing their staff, but also does provide for that standardization and for the greater efficiency that will come from having this on line. In turn, the Department of Human Resources is able to track and analyze a lot of the information that comes in, to ensure that we are aligning the supports that are in place for members of the public service with a lot of the needs that are out there, whether or not they are developmental training needs or others. Thank you very much.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Ms. Bassi-Kellett. Mr. Bromley.

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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Madam Chair, I appreciate that is a good description of the system, but the key weaknesses have been identified. It doesn’t seem to deal with the frequency of the performance reviews. Once reviews are complete, they are not given the attention they deserve and a strong performance is unrecognized. Those need to be dealt with.

Again, it is no surprise in the House that I am becoming increasingly skeptical of our huge investments in software, especially when we need people jobs and we are continually bringing efficiencies that supposedly reduce personnel costs here. What will this bring us over and above a good word processing program and a bring forward system that any individual could set up? I use, and I’m sure we all use, some form of that. Thank you.

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Sheila Bassi-Kellett

What this system does is it is a module of ePerformance that builds on the current system that GNWT employees and members of the public service are very familiar with now, which is the PeopleSoft system. It enhances and builds onto that practice that people have currently a good, sound knowledge of.

The support for managers in doing and completing meaningful performance appraisals is something

that we continue to support, that we continue to always seek to improve. There is a lot of great work that is done right now in recognizing and tracking the positive work of staff by managers, and certainly staff see these as being important developmental opportunities as well. We want to continue to enhance the way staff see those.

There are a number of different things that are a complement through the ePerformance to the existing PeopleSoft system right now. We know there will be reduced paper use. We know there will be better and much more informed tracking of the documents as they flow through the system. We want clarity around that. We don’t want duplication of performance appraisals being held, for example, in a file in a manager’s office, in a program department office as well as in Human Resources. We are able to streamline the way that that information is held, maintained and utilized so that we will be able to build on it, then to look at compiling this information factually so that we can do the analysis to look at where our needs are in the future for the development of members of the public service. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Madam Chair, I have no further questions. I would just ask the Minister to be alert to possibilities for some common sense approach that will avoid these high IT costs that the government seems to be generating. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Any further comments or questions on Human Resources? Human Resources, activity summary, human resource strategy and policy, infrastructure investment summary, total infrastructure investment summary, $300,000. Are we agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you. Committee, we will turn to page 2-2. Human Resources, department summary, infrastructure investment summary, total infrastructure investment summary, $300,000. Does committee agree we have concluded consideration of the Department of Human Resources?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, committee. I would ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to escort the witnesses out of the Chamber, please.

Committee, we will move on to Department of Justice, page 7-2, section 7 in your document. Does committee agree we will start the Department of Justice?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Okay. Does the Minister have any witnesses he wishes to bring into the House?

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Yes, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Minister Abernethy. Does committee agree to bring the witnesses into the House?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you. Sergeant-at-Arms, would you please escort the witnesses into the Chamber.

Minister Abernethy, would you please introduce your witnesses for us.

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. With me today are Bronwyn Watters on my left, the deputy minister of Justice; and on my right, Kim Schofield, who is the director of finance.

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The Chair

The Chair Wendy Bisaro

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Welcome to the witnesses. Committee, we are on page 7-2, Justice, department summary, infrastructure investment summary, total infrastructure investment summary, $702,000. We will defer this summary until we have completed the department. We will now move to page 7-4. Justice, activity summary, services to government, infrastructure investment summary, total infrastructure investment summary, zero. We will move on to page 7-6. Mr. Bromley.