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Question 492-16(5): Early Childhood Education Programs
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Time for oral questions has expired. Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Abernethy.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
Motions

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

WHEREAS the Government of Canada created the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Partnerships (ASEP) program in 2003 to increase Aboriginal participation in the Canadian workforce;

AND WHEREAS the ASEP program has been a major success in the Northwest Territories, the Yukon and Nunavut in moving Aboriginal Northerners from social assistance, unemployment and underemployment to full-time, well-paying jobs;

AND WHEREAS the Mine Training Society, Building Inuvialuit Potential Society and the Dehcho First Nations have used $21.5 million in contributions from the ASEP program to assess, train and facilitate employment for Aboriginal Northerners;

AND WHEREAS the partners of these three organizations represent industry and Aboriginal governments;

AND WHEREAS the Government of the Northwest Territories participates, financially supports and contributes to the good works undertaken by these three organizations;

AND WHEREAS the partners of the Mine Training and Building Inuvialuit Potential societies and the Dehcho First Nations have invested an additional $24.3 million of their own resources to match the investment under the ASEP program;

AND WHEREAS the work of these three organizations has resulted in over 900 Aboriginal Northerners obtaining full-time northern employment in the mining, transportation, construction and petroleum exploration sectors;

AND WHEREAS the ASEP program has had a significant positive impact on the economic development of the Northwest Territories;

AND WHEREAS the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Partnerships program is to come to an end on March 31, 2012, with no commitment for a replacement program;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Monfwi, that the 16th Legislative Assembly strongly urges the Government of Canada to announce the successor strategy to the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Partnerships program immediately, to ensure that the partners can continue to train Aboriginal Northerners for employment in the mining, transportation, construction and petroleum exploration sectors.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. The motion is on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Abernethy.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to raise this motion strongly urging the Government of Canada to develop and announce a successful strategy for Aboriginal Skills and Employment Partnership program, also known as ASEP. This will ensure that local partners like the Mine Training Society, Building Inuvialuit Potential Society and the Dehcho First Nations can continue to train Aboriginal Northerners for employment in the mine, transportation and construction and petroleum exploration sectors.

The federal government created ASEP in 2003 to meet a very real need specifically to increase Aboriginal participation in the Canadian workforce. When initially established, ASEP had a five-year program life. Under existing Treasury Board rules, the program can only be extended once, and up to five years. Recognizing the value of this program, the federal government did extend it to its maximum of 10 years. Unfortunately, as indicated under their own rules, they cannot extend it again as it is currently structured. Unless the federal government develops and implements a successor strategy, the value added to our economy through ASEP will be gone on March 31st , 2012. By way of this motion,

the 16th Legislative Assembly is encouraging the

federal government to announce and fund its successor strategy for this highly effective and important program.

Mr. Speaker, precedents already exist. For example, the Aboriginal Human Resource Development Program offered by the federal government was reworked and announced as the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Training Strategy. So it’s been done in the past. I’d like to see ASEP, one of the Human Resources and Skills

Development Canada, or also HRSDC’s most successful programs be worked under a comprehensive successor strategy similar to the program that I just mentioned.

Mr. Speaker, why is ASEP important to the Northwest Territories? Mr. Speaker, the federal government, through HRSDC, has invested approximately $22 million into the Northwest Territories since 2004. These dollars are matched by industry, Aboriginal governments and the Government of the Northwest Territories, through the departments of Education, Culture and Employment as well as the Department of Transportation, for a total investment in the Northwest Territories of approximately $24 million. Of the 36 ASEP partners across Canada, three of them, the Mine Training Society, Building Inuvialuit Potential Society and the Dehcho First Nations, are located here in the Northwest Territories and they’re dedicated to northern works.

ASEP operates on four principles. The first principle is that ASEP is a practical program that’s getting tangible results. Mr. Speaker, in the Northwest Territories, 900 Aboriginal Northerners have obtained full-time northern employment in the mining, transportation, construction and petroleum exploration sectors. These are tangible results in the Northwest Territories. We need these partners to continue doing their important work in the best interests of all residents of the Northwest Territories.

The second principle is that ASEPs are generating revenue for the federal economy. Mr. Speaker, more than 6,600 Aboriginal people have found long-term sustainable employment as a result of this program. By increasing the levels of Aboriginal education, workforce participation in parity with non-Aboriginal Canadians, Canadians’ gross domestic product could increase by up to $401 billion by 2026. In addition, the net savings on social assistance, justice and housing could be $95 billion in Canada over the next 20 years. This will clearly generate revenue for the federal economy. This is true for the Northwest Territories as well. Local employees working in local industry allow dollars to circulate within our economy rather than heading directly to our southern jurisdictions. The longer the dollars circulate within the Northwest Territories, the greater the positive spinoffs are here at home.

The third principle, Mr. Speaker, ASEPs are building capacity and leaving legacies. Partnership building underpins the ASEP model, Mr. Speaker. Within the Northwest Territories, ASEP partners have developed relationships and strong partnerships for industries located throughout out Territory. This has helped facilitate a win-win for industry and Aboriginal communities throughout the Northwest Territories, helping to fill labour and skill

shortages, increase knowledge, skills and abilities with communities, and address longstanding examples of disparity and Aboriginal student outcomes.

Mr. Speaker, ASEP has, and will leave, a legacy in the Northwest Territories. ASEPs are filling labour shortages with Canadian talent. Mr. Speaker, ASEPs help Canadian industries meet business needs. This is clearly evident here in the Northwest Territories as well. We can see it in our communities. Increasing education and education-specific employment in First Nations communities will result in greater productivity in the Northwest Territories. This will lead to increased tax revenues, reduce government expenditures for programs aimed at improving standards of living, providing adequate health care and preventing crime.

Mr. Speaker, ASEP is also in line with the 16th Legislative Assembly’s vision of strong individuals, families and communities sharing the benefits and responsibility for a unified environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, ASEP is good for Canada. ASEP is also good for the Northwest Territories. It must continue. I hope that Ottawa is listening to us today and that between now and March 31, 2012, they develop and announce a successor strategy for the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Program to ensure that northern organizations like the Mine Training Society, like Building Inuvialuit Potential Society and like the Dehcho First Nations and their industry partners throughout the Northwest Territories and Canada can continue to train Aboriginal Northerners for employment in the mining, transportation, construction and the petroleum exploration sectors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. To the motion. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. In November 2010 I went to Ottawa to meet with Minister Finley to talk about the federal government’s plan to continue the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Program. At that time, Mr. Speaker, she did not make any commitments.

Minister Finley explained that the federal government was focussing on the implementation of the federal framework for Aboriginal and economic development. Mr. Speaker, this framework includes the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Training Strategy. The focus is on demand-driven skills development and fostering partnerships with private sectors.

There are seven assets, organizations or agreements with Aboriginal governments in the Northwest Territories. The Aboriginal Skills and Partnership Fund, this funding is intended to complement asset funding to support specific

projects. The establishment of a new regional economic development agency for the North, CanNor. Both the Mine Training Society and the federal government are also undertaking respective evaluations of the ASEP funding. It will be important to see the results of these evaluations to determine the actual impact of ASEP funding in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, officials from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment have contacted the Government of Nunavut and also Yukon. To date, the other territorial governments have not been approached by their respective ASEP partners, unless they did just recently, to lobby the federal government for their successor model and have not taken any initiatives related to continued ASEP funding. However, Mr. Speaker, this government is committed to developing Aboriginal people, improving their partnership in the labour market.

In addition to being a partner in ASEP agreements, ECE invests in several programs and initiatives aimed to improve Aboriginal participation in the workforce, including Aurora College, ALBE, trades, labour market training, certificate, diploma and also degree programs, apprenticeship and occupational certification and also labour market programming. We are also working with the three diamond mines and ITI on an MOU for northern workforce initiatives. The MOU working group is currently looking at strategic options for mine training in the Northwest Territories. The department also works with labour market stakeholders, including industries and asset partners through regional training committees.

Mr. Speaker, we will continue to work with labour market partners in the Northwest Territories and our colleagues in Yukon and Nunavut to ensure Northerners have access to training opportunities that lead to employment.

Mr. Speaker, I support the motion to call on the Government of Canada to announce a successor program to ensure that the NWT organizations working in partnerships and involved in training can carry on the great work that has been taking place in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. To the motion. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Menicoche.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise saying I will be supporting this motion today.

When there is uncertainty, nobody is very comfortable, especially when it comes to the Mine Training Society and their efforts to move forward. There are many, many success stories out there. I have a niece, Ms. Tyra Moses, who is an outstanding story. She has done very well out there

and we’ve got many, many other success stories out there in the North. We must continue that. We must exert every effort to support our young people, people that want to get into mines and want to get into training.

Once again, I commend the Mine Training Society. I believe that we do have to send a message, a united voice, to Ottawa, that March 31st is around

the corner and that we need some certainty. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. To the motion. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
Motions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am totally in support of this motion. I haven’t had many dealings with the Mine Training Society and I haven’t had dealings with any of the other organizations receiving ASEP funding, but the dealings that I have had with the Mine Training Society have been very positive. My experiences have shown that they are a highly successful organization and, as has been mentioned, they’ve used the federal dollars they have received to leverage matching funding for their partners over the years.

The partners have matched $16.5 million or so with $18.7 million since the inception of the program in September 2004. There are eight partners and I’d just like to mention them because I think they are contributors to the success of the program: Tlicho Government, Lutselk’e Dene First Nation, North Slave Metis Alliance, Yellowknives Dene First Nation, BHP Billiton, De Beers Canada – Snap Lake, Rio Tinto – Diavik Diamond Mines, and GNWT Education, Culture and Employment.

The Mine Training Society as well as leveraging funding has adapted their programs and their training over the years to adjust to the needs of our economy and a changing work environment. As was mentioned I think by Mr. Abernethy, they have contributed hugely to providing skilled labour to the diamond mines that are looking for that skilled labour. They have provided employment after training for almost 600 Aboriginal Northerners and that doesn’t include the other organizations using ASEP. Right now the Mine Training Society is experiencing a huge interest in the Underground Miner Training Program. I think they’re probably going to have intakes for quite some time to come, in order to take advantage of all the interest that’s out there.

I believe that we absolutely need to get an extension to this ASEP federal funding. I know that the same program can’t be extended but a replacement program can be devised and can be put in place, and this government must do everything that it can to ensure that funding for NWT organizations is put in place.

It’s been mentioned that it sunsets in March of 2012. That gives us about a year. I have to urge our government, especially ECE, and I’m very glad that Minister Lafferty is in support of this motion, but we have to begin to lobby and negotiate with the federal government to get the ASEP program re-profiled and brought back with a new name.

This funding helps our residents to be successful and contributing members of our society and it provides lasting benefits to our communities. It also helps our economy, and that’s been well stated by Mr. Abernethy. We cannot afford to let this program sunset without a replacement. I think it will have extremely negative effects on all of us.

I urge all Members to stand in support of this motion. I certainly will be.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. To the motion. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t think I need to repeat all the comments I’ve heard today but I will say that this program is certainly the most successful Human Resources and Skills Development Canada program that I’m aware of.

I want to mention, though, that I did send a letter on the 4th of February to Minister Finley highlighting

some of the points we’ve heard today repeatedly and the amazing amount of evidence provided in support of this program. I urge all Members to send such a letter, perhaps accompanying a copy of this debate and the motion, and I want to again say that I will be supporting it. I don’t think I need to urge Members to support this motion.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. To the motion. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be supporting this motion and I would ask that the Minister takes a strong message and this government takes a strong message to Ottawa in terms of supporting the northern people, especially in the areas of construction, mining, industry, tourism, hydro development that the North here is reaping with the wealth of resources. We need to invest strongly into our northern workforce.

This motion brings our people together from the North and the government needs to hear that on this issue we’re upfront and we’re united. We’ve seen from the Minister of Industry in terms of the imported workers that we’re getting from the South to work here in the Northwest Territories. Certainly people in the North want the jobs and the training and this is one example where things are going well. We’re not too sure where Ottawa is sitting in terms of continuing its funding.

All people in the Northwest Territories will benefit from this program. For example, in my region there

is a mining company just at the border of the Northwest Territories and Yukon with the intentions of putting that mine into production. They’re going to invest close to a billion dollars. This is Selwyn Resources. We need people in the Northwest Territories to work there. This would be a benefit to the people of the North. We would work closely with the Mine Training Society to help train these people for positions so they can go to work in the mine.

Also, about a month ago I was in Tulita and they had MGM, an oil company, that’s drilling close to Tulita and they’re hoping they will strike oil. That would also produce more jobs in our communities and just in our region here.

I wanted to let this Minister know, the government know that you can go down with this motion and ask the federal government to put in a strong program for the people of the Northwest Territories, give them some incentive to invest into the people in the North.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. To the motion. The honourable Member for Kam Lake, Mr. Ramsay.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too will be supporting the motion today and I‘d like to commend the Mine Training Society and all their partners for all their efforts over the years. I’d also like to thank Mr. Abernethy, the mover of the motion, and Minister Lafferty for seconding the motion that’s before us today. I’d be very pleased to support that.

The future of the Northwest Territories is going to be in the area of resource extraction, transportation infrastructure, and construction. We need to ensure that a program can replace this very successful program. We need to encourage the federal government to come up with a way forward so that we can have our young people take the steps necessary to get the training to participate in what I believe is going to be a very bright future here in the Northwest Territories. Opportunities are out there and we need to ensure that we allow our young people every opportunity to get jobs and to look after themselves and lead meaningful lives in this Territory.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. To the motion. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too will be voting in favour of this particular motion. I believe if you listen very carefully to the membership here, the Members all speak in favour of the motion and you’ll notice, listening carefully, that you’ll hear the strong support for the Mine Training Society in that there is acknowledgement for the work that they have done over the many years.

I truly believe in supporting educational opportunities that support Northerners, allowing them to get on their own feet. It’s almost like a helping hand as opposed to a help out, an education, as I’ve always seen it that way. We’ve got to get people the resources so that they can do things themselves and this is the type of initiative that allows them to get those opportunities on their own to improve their individual lives. As I often say, it’s not just their lives they’re improving, they’re improving the base of their family’s lives and their children’s lives going forward.

The training offered at the Mine Training Society has created independent people. I believe that’s not just good for those people, it’s good for this government. I hope that the government would recognize that when they communicate this message to the federal government, that we’re allowing Northerners to continue to be independent, to be able to fulfill those dreams and destinies, the hopes that they have for their future. I believe strongly that the Mine Training Society has brought new hope and opportunity for over 900 individuals who may not have had that hope before the society was developed and the mine training was provided.

As I said earlier, this does not just improve 900 individual people’s lives, it improves over 900 families. That’s a component that’s critically important to me and that I always believe in.

Ottawa has often seen the North as its breadbasket, whether in the past or present and I can definitely tell you in the future. They always see the resources of what the North has to offer it. I would hope they would recognize the resource in the people that we can train to be self-sufficient. Because they depend on our economy roaring and if we get the oil and gas or mining training industries up here, it’s always a struggle to employ people who have the qualified skills to do so. This program through the Mine Training Society speaks to that need and certainly, again, allows people to take those opportunities.

I need not lecture anyone in this House about, you know, I’ve been here almost eight years and it seems like whenever we get something good going, something exciting, and it has a great thrust, there always seems to be a sunset looming over a particular program. I would hate for that to be the case for this initiative. I think the timing of the motion is probably of an excellent time as it rolls in, because this motion gives the Minister a year to work on a replacement to the program and this initiative.

In closing, I want to say that I feel strongly that the contribution of these individuals who have improved their lives will bring new opportunity not just to the North but to the communities and, as I’ve pointed out, to the families. The Mine Training Society has built a strong reputation to getting Northerners

skilled for jobs that are in significant demand in our Territory and our industry. With that, as I mentioned, I will be voting in favour of it.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. To the motion. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Beaulieu.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too will be supporting the motion. I think it’s very important. I have stood up in the House many, many times to talk about the low employment rates in the communities. The GNWT has responded to provide an employment program that’s gone into our base that will continue on. A program such as that could support this program, and these programs could work together and be very positive for the economy in the small communities. Obviously I support it.

I think also not only the employment but all the positive aspects that result from people being employed, people being trained for employment, and any long-term employment has positive impacts on the cost of living across the small communities when people are able to access cost of living items because they have income. Also the cost to government, I think a program such as this supported by other programs of the Government of the Northwest Territories saves on all kinds of things. The cost of social services should go down. The cost of income support should go down. The cost of health should go down. The cost of housing should go down. All of those things are also a factor when we support an initiative such as this.

We’re also supporting ourselves, the GNWT, and we can see far-reaching places in the GNWT where we will save money and make life better for the people of the Northwest Territories.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. To the motion. I’ll allow the mover of the motion some closing comments. Mr. Abernethy.

Motion 35-16(5): Successor Strategy For The Aboriginal Skills And Employment Partnerships Program, Carried
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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank all of my colleagues who spoke in support of this motion. It’s great to see Members on both sides of the House in support of such an important motion.

The ASEP program is a nationally managed, opportunity-driven and project-based program that promotes increased participation of Aboriginal people in major economic developments. It achieves this through a collaborative approach of Aboriginal, private sector, and provincial and territorial partnerships. The program supports multi-year training strategies developed by Aboriginal organizations and industry employers leading to long-term, skilled jobs for Aboriginal people in existing and emerging economic opportunities.

The ASEP program has been a major success in Canada and the Northwest Territories, the Yukon and Nunavut. It moves Aboriginal Northerners from social assistance, unemployment and

underemployment to full-time and well-paying jobs. The successful strategy will ensure that this level of partnership and success has an opportunity to continue.

As I’ve said, by way of this motion we are strongly urging the Government of Canada to develop and announce a successor strategy for the ASEP program, which will ensure that our local organizations, in partnership with local industry, can continue to train Aboriginal Northerners for employment in mining, transportation, construction and petroleum exploration sectors. I hope Ottawa is listening.

I also request a recorded vote.

Recorded Vote
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February 17th, 2011

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. The Member has requested a recorded vote. All those in favour of the motion, please stand.

Recorded Vote
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Tim Mercer Clerk Of The House

Mr. Abernethy; Mr. Menicoche; Mr. Ramsay; Mr. Beaulieu; Mr. Hawkins; Ms. Bisaro; Mr. Yakeleya; Mr. Lafferty; Ms. Lee; Mr. Miltenberger; Mr. Roland; Mr. McLeod, Inuvik Twin Lakes; Mr. McLeod, Yellowknife South; Mr. Krutko; Mr. Bromley.

Recorded Vote
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

All those opposed to the motion, please stand. All those abstaining, please stand. Results of the recorded vote: in favour, 15; opposed, none; abstaining, none. The motion is carried unanimously.

---Carried

Item 18, first reading of bills. The honourable Member for Kam Lake, Mr. Ramsay.