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Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, I am here to present the Department of Finance’s main estimates for the 2011-2012 fiscal year.

For 2011-2012 the Department of Finance is requesting a total operations budget of $100.784

million. This is a $9.316 million decrease from the 2011-2012 Main Estimates and represents an 8.5 percent reduction to funding levels. The items that effect this change are highlighted as follows:

Excluding the contribution funding provided to the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, there is a net increase of $203,000 proposed for the Department of Finance’s operations budget. This represents a 0.5 percent increase over the 2010-2011 mains. This net increase is comprised of an investment of $552,000 in forced growth areas, primarily to implement Collective Agreement increases. This is partially offset by reductions totalling $349,000 that are associated with the sunsetting of one-time funding provided in 2010-2011 to complete planning, design and transition work related to the implementation of the Financial Shared Services Centre and for the Information Security Initiative.

A net decrease of $9.519 million is associated with the contribution funding provided to the NWT Housing Corporation. This net decrease is comprised of an increase of $2.521 million in forced growth and strategic initiative funding that is more than offset by a reduction of $12.04 million associated with the revised manner in which Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s share of the Public Housing Rental Subsidy program funding is recorded. As the responsibility for the delivery of the PHRS Program now rests with the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation the CMHC share of the program costs is no longer flowed through the GNWT and, therefore, is no longer recorded as an appropriation with a corresponding revenue offset. The CMHC share of program costs is provided directly to the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. The Department of Finance has no direct authority over this contribution funding other than providing the corporation with its operating cash flow.

The department continues to be guided by its strategic action plan which provides multi-year direction for the department. This plan includes two overarching strategic priorities: fiscal sustainability and modern management. These strategic priorities are critical to the long-term success of the GNWT and guide departmental initiatives and action items.

Each of the business activities of the department provides a foundation for all other activities of government through raising revenues, managing expenditures, protecting assets, providing critical fiscal, financial and economic information, and promoting accountability. In developing the Department of Finance’s 2011-2012 Main Estimates primary consideration was given to the key objectives requiring action by the Department

of Finance in support of the government’s strategic direction including:

continuing the implementation of a Financial Shared Services Centre, including a shared services procurement model;

implementing a new Knowledge Management Strategy;

continuing the process of modernizing the

government’s financial management framework, including further work on SAM and rewriting the Financial Administration Act and its associated regulations and policies;

continuing to seek input on budget and

revenue options.

As the government’s lead revenue department, the revenues managed by the Department of Finance are projected to total approximately $1.25 billion or about 92 percent of the total GNWT revenues being forecast for 2011-2012 fiscal year. This represents a 4.3 percent increase from the revised 2010-2011 forecasts and is primarily attributable to a projected increase in the grant from Canada of $76 million and a $6 million projected increase in other transfer payments offset by a $31 million projected decrease in taxation revenues.

That concludes my opening remarks.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

At this time I’d like to ask the Minister if he will be bringing in his witnesses.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree that the Minister can bring in his witnesses?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Sergeant-at-Arms, escort the witnesses in.

For the record, Mr. Minister, can you introduce your witnesses.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Margaret Melhorn, deputy minister of Finance; Mr. Jamie Koe, director of policy and planning.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Welcome witnesses. At this time I would like to ask if there are any general comments for the Department of Finance. Mr. Bromley.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’m happy to see the department staying with a tight budget here. I guess we’ll be hearing more about SAM and what the latest millions of dollars being spent on SAM will be. Not happy to see our dollars continually being poured into that, but perhaps someday we’ll hear about some efficiencies represented there.

I wanted to ask, though, just the 4.3 percent increase in 2010-11 forecasts, and I’m talking about revenue now. The projected increase in the grant from Canada of $76 million. I’m wondering what was it that caused a revision in that. I thought we knew pretty firmly what that federal transfer would be and I’m just wondering what caused that bump-up of $76 million. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Ms. Melhorn.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Melhorn

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The $76 million represents the increase from 2010-11 to 2011-12. It’s the annual increase in the grant that is driven by the formula financing escalator primarily. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I realize that. It just was sort of portrayed as a bit of a surprise and I wondered... Perhaps it wasn’t a surprise and perhaps it’s just an explanation of the increase. I guess I’ll just drop it.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Any other general comments? Mr. Abernethy.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a couple of quick comments on two areas in particular. One is the Shared Services Centre that has been on the radar for the last couple of years. I haven’t heard too much of it lately but I’ve had a couple of constituents asking me what is the status, is it happening soon, do we have to worry about being centralized, and I, quite frankly, didn’t know the answers. If I can get some specifics on the nature of the Shared Services Centre. Where are we in the process? Is it happening? Is it coming down the pipes?

The other area that I’ve had some concern about is the borrowing limit of the Northwest Territories. Quite frankly, it seems two things are going on: our MP has put forward a bill in front of the House of Commons to have our borrowing limit increased and at the same time the Government of Canada is doing a review of our borrowing limit. I’m curious if the Minister can give a sense as to which avenue we are supporting. Are we supporting the bill from our Member of Parliament or are we supporting the process that is underway which involves trying to identify or trying to encourage the federal government not to include self-financing or self-liquidating debt against our borrowing limit? If we can get them to not count those things, I don’t think we need a borrowing limit increase. I think we would have lots of room to do the things that we need to do in the best interests of the people of the Northwest Territories. Just two areas of interest and I’ll bring them up during detail, but I’m certainly interested to know what’s happening with shared services and where this government officially stands on our borrowing limit and which avenue to improve things in that area we’re supporting.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Minister of Finance.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll speak to the borrowing limits and I’ll get Ms. Melhorn to speak to the shared services piece.

Our position in regard to the borrowing limit has been clear and consistent. We’re involved in a government-to-government negotiation and discussion with the federal Finance department. There’s been a review of the three territories’ borrowing limits. This is an issue of specific concern to us so we’ve been very proactive in dealing with the federal government. We’ve had meetings just before Christmas when we were in Kananaskis, a chance to talk to the Minister of Finance. I informed committee of this. The Minister indicated that they would like to see this issue resolved by spring. In our last conversation with Minister Flaherty he indicated that they’re still committed to doing this, and hopefully would now be down to a number of weeks. We have offered up a number of suggestions and had discussions at the staff level on what’s the best way forward and what’s been contemplated by the federal government.

At the same time, months ago now, there was a process started by the Member of Parliament that through the Private Member’s Bill process that as it’s gained traction and made its way through the rather difficult process for Private Member’s Bills, it’s garnered a lot of attention by the press. When federal Parliament discusses the northern borrowing limit, it focuses a lot of attention and the question kept being posed to us is what is our position. Our position has remained the same, that we are intent on concluding an agreement with the federal Finance department on a borrowing limit, the final details of which have not been agreed to, but the intent is clear on our part and I know the Member of Parliament, as well. I mean, he’s focused the attention on the borrowing limit but our process is on a government-to-government basis with the federal Finance department and we anticipate, and the Minister of Finance anticipates, that our discussions will be concluded far before the Private Member’s Bill runs its course.

I’ll ask Ms. Melhorn to speak to the shared services issues. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Ms. Melhorn.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Melhorn

: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Financial Shared Services Project has been going on for some time. Most of the work at this point has been fairly level and behind the scenes work on the governance model. So how the Shared Services Centre would be governed in terms of the reporting relationships with the departments that it would be serving, working on partnership agreements so that it would set out the service levels that would be provided to departments, and the accountability structures and reporting relationships. What we’re working on right now is developing a detailed

inventory in conjunction with the departments of the various tasks that are being performed in departments and by the staff in departments so that there can be an assessment of which tasks are appropriate for the Financial Shared Services Centre and which ones would remain in departments. But no decisions have been made about staffing. We’re not at that point yet. We have made an effort to maintain regular communications with staff through Messenger and information in the Bear Facts about where the project is at. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Abernethy.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

To the borrowing limit, the Minister indicated that we’ve made lots of suggestions to the federal government with respect to our thoughts on the borrowing limit. I’d be happy to hear what some of those suggestions were. With respect to the Shared Services Centre, I’ve been reading the Bear Facts so I knew those were going on, but I know there are some people out there who are confused or they’re not as comfortable, and if there’s anything we can do to give those staff some more assurances of where we are, it wouldn’t go amiss. Anything we can do to help ease some of the anxiety that’s out there will only be better for our employees and better for the government in the long run. Anything you can do to, sort of, enhance awareness would be great. Once again, with respect to borrowing limit, the suggestions that the Minister had mentioned, I’d be happy to hear what those are.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, there are two main areas of discussion. We have suggested how our debt is treated is the debt that is what is called self-financing be treated differently from our normal borrowing practices. By self-financing debt, of course, we mean the money that is owed by the Power Corporation and the Housing Corporation and the bridge when it comes on-line will be mainly self-financing. That is one area. The other issue and area of discussion is going to be when you have a number, is it better to have a specific dollar number in legislation or an agreement or is it better to have a formula that doesn’t tie you to a number that can be overtaken by inflation and other factors? We are looking at those are the two key areas that we are having those discussions on. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Minister. Does committee agree that that concludes general comments?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Then we will start with detail. Does committee agree?