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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

There’s going to be a number of federal sites, the donuts, such as they are called, such as Giant Mine and others that the federal government will maintain. We have negotiated a whole list of ones that will come over fully to us. I’ll ask the deputy minister if he wants to add any further detail.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Campbell.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. ENR will be responsible for the contaminated sites in the Northwest Territories on transferred lands post-devo here. Of course, we are going to be working closely with the Department of Lands in this area as well. Again, our department is the lead department in this area on contaminated sites.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair, and thanks to Mr. Campbell. So, I look at the amount on page 17 and its $357,000. It doesn’t seem like much money to deal with the contaminated sites that we’re going to be taking over.

Can I get an indication of how many sites or what kind of remediation to sites we expect to do with $357,000? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. For that we’ll go to Ms. Magrum.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Magrum

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This does not include the accrued cost for the GNWT for the clean-up of identified environmental liabilities. That fund is administered through the Department of Finance. Departments identify what environmental liabilities exist and then the Assembly votes on funding for that Environmental Liability Fund, which then pays for the remediation of those sites. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Magrum. Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thanks to Ms. Magrum. So in the assessment that the Department of ENR does, is one of the parts of the assessment that they’re doing to assess the cost of remediation of a contaminated site either when it’s a working site or after it’s a working site? What I’m getting at is in terms of securities. If the department assesses a site as being contaminated, will they also advise Finance, I presume, that the costs to remediate that site is let’s say $1 million, then presumably the responsibility lies with Finance to go and get that money either from a company or from GNWT. Is that a function of ENR, that they will assess the cost to remediate? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are various levels of environmental assessment and the boards that will be involved, the ones that assess and decide on the security that’s going to be required for whatever particular project, at that point ENR has a role to play as the project proceeds and as it gets close to its end days whether the fund has kept pace with costs and what needs to be done, and does what needs to be done match what was initially envisioned when the security deposit was set. But I’ll ask the deputy if he could add a bit more detail.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Campbell.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Department of ENR will be involved in assessing the securities for sites. As the Minister mentioned, the EA process, we work closely. Our staff and our two new divisions have that expertise to provide that information to the land and water boards for them to determine and recommend the securities for the operating sites.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Mr. Campbell, I’ll give you a chance just to repeat that last part. I don’t think it was picked up.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Sorry about that. It will be for the new projects that are

coming on stream, establishing those securities. That’s the role of ENR working with the land and water boards in setting securities, in particular in terms of the water licences.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Campbell, for correcting. Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for the clarification. ENR is going to identify the site, one of the boards is presumably going to establish the amount of security that is required, so who then demands of a company that they put up that security and once ENR determines, say, that liability is a million dollars and the company has only put up $500,000, who is going after the company to make sure we get that other $500,000 so that remediation is not going to fall on the taxpayers of the NWT?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

That will be a function of the boards and the approval process before they’re granted their permits.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Okay. One last question. Then I’m applying for a development. Before I’m granted my permit, I have to put up the security that has been assessed to me. Is that correct?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

The boards will set a schedule for payment.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Ms. Bisaro, your time is up. Let me know if you want to get back on this one here. We’ll go, again, environment. I’ll go back to Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

March 3rd, 2014

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to just follow up a little bit on the tail end of our conversation, the Minister and myself, through you, our Chair. I asked about would the Minister consider implementing a mechanism that’s in the Greenhouse Gas Strategy, and that’s a renewable energy portfolio, a mechanism whereby we would require industry, new industry, for example, to start providing some basic minimal amount of their energy needs through renewable energy. The Minister responded, noting that he is spending many millions of dollars. He has got many projects. He’s replacing boilers. He has a lot of programs under the efficiency programs. He’s replacing light bulbs. He has a Solar Strategy, a Biomass Strategy for more millions of dollars, and that they’re achieving some modest gains. That is basically what he said.

I’d like to suggest that what this is, is a very simple mechanism with no costs and would yield probably well over an order of magnitude and more gains in reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. I guess I would say, firstly, does the Minister agree, and would he not agree that a mechanism such as this, as he always says, very carefully considered and

put in place, responsibly put in place, would in fact not only achieve those things, it might very well support our interests in grid connections and a market for those grids and other energy objectives that we have as a government?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Two things: I don’t think we should diminish the amount of work and time and effort we’ve spent in making a fundamental shift in the use of alternative energy in the Northwest Territories, which I think is very significant and I think it in fact probably leads the country in terms of things like biomass and our investment in solar, especially in remote communities, and we’re going to continue to make those investments.

Yes, I agree with the Member that we want to look at all avenues when it comes to being as environmentally conscious as possible with the smallest carbon footprint possible, and as I indicated, when we go forward with the renewal of the Greenhouse Gas Strategy and the Solar Strategy, and as we look at the things that we’ve done and where we have to continue to go, we’ll consider that option as well.