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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. I’ll get Ms. Bisaro to clarify the exact entries on this activity summary. Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The third line down, Alternative Energy Program, goes from $1.175 million in ’13-14 to $300,000 in ’14-15, yet towards the bottom we have one, two, three new programs: Business Support, Solar Energy and environmental baseline studies. So why the drop in Alternative Energy Program?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. For that response we’ll go to Ms. Magrum.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Magrum

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In the ’13-14 revised estimates for the Alternative Energy Program that included Alternative Energy Technology Program for $300,000, which does exist in that same line for the ’14-15 mains, it also includes a wind demo project, which in ’14-15 is a separate, stand-alone item further down under biomass. In the ’13-14, the Alternative Energy Program includes smart grid and it also includes a solar PV expansion. Solar PV expansion is a separate and expanded program in the ’14-15 Main Estimates. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Magrum. Questions on environment, grants and contributions, I have Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I just have a couple of questions on wind energy. The contribution to Aurora Research Institute to measure wind energy potential in the NWT, I believe I recall when there was this exact program a number of years ago. Is this a reinstitution of that program? I do remember seeing their maps and hearing some of the programs that they had going on that.

Just while we’re on the wind energy, I know the Minister has talked about the Storm Hills as a potential long-term solution to some of Inuvik’s energy issues. What’s happening and what’s the schedule on that development? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. For that we’ll go to Mr. Campbell.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Under the ERI that initiative there for the funding is for wind monitoring in the Inuvik area. There’s a second site that if we wanted to do some monitoring in that area.

On the other initiative with Storm Hills, we’re working with NTPC with that initiative and we expect a report here on that monitoring program here shortly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks, Mr. Chair, and thanks for that information. I’ve never known NTPC to be much of a wind expert outfit, but it would be great to see them get into that. They’ve certainly held up a lot of wind projects in the past.

Just on solar energy, again, I’m a supporter of the Solar Energy Program. I think the net metering discussions that have been going on through the board and thermal communities and so on, with participation of the department, are very productive. It would be great to see a net metering program get off the ground.

One problem there is NTPC’s reluctance to fund or waive the standby change above five kilowatts. I think that’s already the case, and obviously I think there are a number of initiatives out there in the 10 kilowatt area. Still modest, but could gain us a lot towards this strategy’s goals if that standby charge was waived.

I wonder if the Minister would have a look at that, and could I just get a general breakdown of what this $625,000, how that is planned to be allocated, if that’s known? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just in regards to the standby charge, I’ll check. My recollection was that we already had this discussion and we had agreed to

waive that standby charge, but I’ll double-check with NTPC, but I’m sure that’s what we did.

With regards to the breakdown of the solar, I’ll ask Ms. Magrum if she has information.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Ms. Magrum.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Magrum

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I can provide an overview of the Solar Smart Grid Technology Program for $125,000 in ’14-15. This is an electrical network that uses information and communications technology to gather and act on information. For example, information gathered about the behaviours of suppliers and consumers can manage electrical generation in an automated fashion to improve the efficiency. Natural Resources Canada is working with NT Energy and the GNWT to collaborate on an NWT pilot demonstration project. This is based on lessons learned from existing projects in British Columbia. Smart grids are going to go into Jean Marie River and Colville Lake. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Magrum. I think I concur with the Minister. I believe, Mr. Bromley, the standby charges were removed in October of 2013, but we’ll get that validated. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That certainly was the discussion at our level. Unfortunately, at the technical level, being privy to the discussions with the Utilities Board, I don’t think that’s what’s happening, so I appreciate the Minister looking in on that to see if there can be a correction there.

I’m very appreciative of this solar smart grid program. I think there’s some real potential there, so I appreciate the efforts. That was $125,000. I didn’t hear where the rest of the dollars were focused. Maybe there is an application or proposal program or something. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My note says photo PV systems will be added to diesel community grids as selected communities prefer. It ties in with the smart grid technology to help cover the costs of not only the smart grid technology but the solar requirements and now they have, as well, decided to include wind in that and batteries, so it’s going to be a very unique pilot project that is being watched with great interest by a lot of jurisdictions with remote communities. If we can make it work, we anticipate the penetration to be at least 50 percent of the diesel would be offset by wind, battery and solar. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

That sounds pretty exciting. Good luck. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Okay. Committee, we’re on 13-18, activity summary, environment, grants and contributions, $3.889 million. Does committee agree?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you. Page 13-19, information item, environment, active positions. Any questions?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Seeing none, 13-21, activity summary, forest management, operations expenditure summary, $32.684 million. Does committee agree?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.