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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. I will remind Members that we are on capital budget. Next on my list I have Mr. Bromley. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just had a couple of things. The first one is I am wondering where we are at with energy standards. I always bring that up. It is nice to get a progress report. I know that there has been some consideration at the national level to instigate new standards. I’m not exactly sure where we’re at with that. Maybe I will just start with that.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Beaulieu.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Mr. Chair, I will have the deputy minister respond to the standards.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu. Deputy Minister Guy.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Guy

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have our Good Building Practices which define our energy standards for our government-owned buildings. They are based on the National Energy Code and meeting the requirements of the National Energy Code or exceeding them. I think our target is 10 percent better than the most recent version of the National Energy Code. I don’t have the dates in front of me. I know I provided them before and I apologize for not having it here today, but the next round of the National Energy Code is due in the imminent future. I believe it is less than a year away. At that point we will be reviewing our standards again to see how we do with the new code and we will be adjusting our targets accordingly.

We are going back to review and we have just sort of started the internal discussions on updating our Good Building Practices around some of the more recent developments in the area of technology. Those are things that we can put in there now around lighting that wasn’t available four or five years ago and things like energy efficient LED lighting can now become much more standard as part of our day-to-day routine business. Some of the things around biomass, as well, are things we are looking at putting in there. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Deputy Minister Guy. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Mr. Chair, thanks for that update. I knew it was coming but I guess it’s not here yet, the new ones. In terms of the lifecycle renewals that we do, are they designed typically to meet those standards, as well, when we go in and bump up a building? Do we use those same standards for that work? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Guy

Mr. Chair, I didn’t quite catch the question. I think the question was, when we do a retrofit, do we employ our Good Building Practices? If I can get that confirmed, thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Mr. Bromley, if you could just ask that question again, that would be great.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Mr. Chair, the term I actually used was lifecycle renewals, a term I pulled out of the document, but essentially that is it. I’m just wondering: under our maintenance work that we are doing, the sort of catch-up to try and reduce our deferred maintenance, do we subscribe to those standards? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Guy

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, that’s a good question. Wherever possible we do. For example, in a major retrofit project like the health centre in Fort Smith is a good example where we did a complete retrofit of that building from top to bottom. That was done in accordance with our Good Building Practices and those standards. Other projects, envelope upgrades, things like that, we apply the Good Building Standards wherever we can, and when we do lifecycle replacements of heating systems, alarm systems, lighting systems, we apply the standards of the Good Building Practices as well.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks for that response. My last question is: Given the ongoing climb in utility costs and environmental costs, and I believe this government has committed to addressing both of those, has the department set out a schedule for converting all of our infrastructure to renewable energy like some annual targets and a long-term plan? I know we’re working by guess and by golly, and as we have resources and so on, but obviously, a bit of a methodical plan and some goals might help direct the resources needed to actually achieve this sort of thing. I guess I’d ask the Minister, do we have such a schedule, and if not, is that something the Minister would consider getting done on his watch?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Beaulieu.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that we will try to provide some detail. We have done a lot of work in energy efficiency on the midlife retrofits. Each time we’ve done that we’ve tried to be as energy efficient as possible, and biomass. We have a Capital Asset Retrofit Fund which is just savings from the operation of the buildings that we’re doing, so eventually as we do more buildings, we’re getting more savings, so that budget just continues to grow as we continue to do more buildings, and we’re saving a lot of money in fuel and we’re reducing greenhouse gases substantially from the buildings that we own.

In as far as the future and the planning goes, what we’re planning to do next and so on, I’d like to have the deputy minister provide some of the detail for the Member.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu. Deputy Minister Guy.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Guy

Thank you, Mr. Chair. A couple things we do, we do set sort of a benchmark around greenhouse gas reduction for the department on an annual basis, and we track it and report it in our annual report, which we publish every year. We also, through our Capital Asset Retrofit Program and our energy auditing program, go through and look at the GNWT assets and we set benchmarks around how they’re performing. The lower performing ones we try to move more towards what

we would consider a high performing building. That’s one of the targets we set as we address the various projects through the Capital Asset Retrofit Program. We try to increase the benchmark performance of the various assets that we operate and maintain.

There are about 800 assets in our portfolio and it just takes some time to move them towards a better performing level. However, there is also the challenge that we see around new and emerging technology, so what wasn’t feasible perhaps five years ago is feasible today. Things like biomass were not things we were talking about, per se, 10 years ago; however, it’s a mainstream today. The emerging technology around LED lighting that I spoke of is something now we have to go back and look at lighting retrofits perhaps again going forward to help improve our benchmark performance. What we’re seeing with solar may provide some opportunity. These are all things that we will have to look at as we continue to improve the efficiency of our buildings.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

October 20th, 2014

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Deputy Minister Guy. Committee, we’re on Tabled Document 115-17(5). Does the committee agree to go to detail?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Public Works and Services, page 63. We’ll come back to that page. Public Works and Services, asset management, infrastructure investment $11.915 million.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Public Works and Services, energy, infrastructure investment, $300,000.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Technology Service Centre, infrastructure investment, $2.310 million.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.