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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the deputy minister. So, if I understood correctly, the corresponding expense is found in the Department of Finance. Is that correct? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

Thank you. The adjustment is reflected in the Department of Finance’s accounting, yes.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks for the clarification. My other question has to do with the investment income interest earned on the NWT Opportunities Fund and it reflects in ’13-14 budget year a revised estimate of $7-plus million. My recollection is that that was the value of the fund. So is this, in fact, interest, $7 million in interest or is that simply how we’ve recorded it? Is the NWT Opportunities Fund now finished, is it empty, is it done and closed? A status update on the fund would be helpful and why have we recorded $7 million in interest? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

To the questions, the reflection in the main estimates for 2013-14, which are revised, reflect the interest that was earned by the fund. That interest was received as a result of earnings from a loan that had been dispersed to a company through the NWT Opportunities Fund. That was booked before ’13-14. Those funds have been subsequently funded to the Consolidated Revenue Fund and that Opportunities Fund is in the final stages of winding down legally and officially, so it’s anticipated it will be wrapped up before the end of the fiscal year.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

My last question then. The fund is going to be wrapped up by the end of this fiscal year, so that would be ’13-14, that’s why there’s no anticipated activity or revenue in ’14-15. Is that correct?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

That is correct.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Page 12-9, information item, revenue summary. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. Ms. Bisaro asked most of the questions that I had as well there, but perhaps I could just ask, do we know what the adjustments are to the $120 million to resource revenue royalties and so on that we are responsible for collecting, that this department is collecting? Do we know what the adjustments will be?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Ramsay.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The $120 million represents a five-year average, and I’m not sure, maybe the Member could just clarify what adjustments he maybe is talking about.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you for that information and I appreciate this is a five-year average. With Ms. Bisaro’s questioning, the deputy minister mentioned that adjustments would be made in the Department of Finance and reported in there. I’m wondering if we’d know what the amount of those adjustments will total.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Mr. Vician.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

Thank you, Madam Chair. The allocation of the $120 million is on the basis of the net fiscal benefit arrangement under the Devolution Agreement, which reflects the sharing of the royalties collected by the GNWT at a ratio of 50 percent, up to 5 percent of the gross expenditure base. That adjustment would be reflected in the Department of Finance’s accounting at this point. Further to that is the allocation of the 25 percent collected from the GNWT portion that would then be remitted to the Aboriginal organizations of the Northwest Territories.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks for that information. With my rudimentary math, that leaves 25 percent still remaining. Is that in this department somewhere?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

All funds collected under the revenue summary are remitted to the Consolidated Revenue Fund. No funds are retained by the department. Those would be appropriated the vote 1 and vote 2 allocations from this House.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

My understanding is that those dollars could be anywhere in this budget, in the expenditures in this budget. Is that correct?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

All revenues collected by this department and other departments are remitted to the Consolidated Revenue Fund and then this House would appropriate those funds available in addition to any other grants and funding received from other parties accordingly through the main estimates process.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

That seems pretty clear. Much clearer than the process I’ve experienced to date. I believe not only myself but many Members have requested input on where the other 25 percent goes, and we never really had that opportunity other than this general, you know, the dollars disappear into the budget sort of thing. I’m clear on that. Thank you.

The petroleum fees, $10,000 seems quite modest, and I know we don’t have much petroleum production, obviously. About a third of the egg levy. What are those for? I know we’re busy fracking and doing all kinds of stuff out there. Is that what the federal government collects in petroleum fees from the NWT?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Ramsay.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The department will collect revenues from the administration of our petroleum interests in the NWT and these include non-refundable rentals on the Pointed Mountain oil and gas leases held by Lone Pine Resources, issuance fees and fees for services under the Frontier Lands Registration Regulations, for instance, there’s a $250 fee for the issuance of an exploration licence, and rentals due to the Crown for exploration licences as well.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Are those all within this $10,000 of revenue?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Yes.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I know what I’ve been paying for hunting licences and I know they increased in recent years and I’m sure the revenue is a lot more than that. This is nothing short of shameful. Does the Minister plan on upping these fees?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

We’re mirroring the regulations that are in place and it remains to be seen what will happen once that happens and into

the future. I guess that’s a decision for another day past April 1st .

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I know we’re collecting $10,000 in fees from the petroleum industry here, an amazingly small amount. At the same time, I suppose we’re now proposing to subsidize this same industry, the richest corporations in the world, with millions of taxpayer dollars from GNWT funds. That’s just an observation.