This is page numbers 5769 – 5806 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was education.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Deputy Minister Campbell. Minister Miltenberger.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I just noted I didn’t respond to one specific question with regard to waste management and old vehicles. The answer is still the same. It’s on our list and we are going to work our way down there. We have been focusing on getting a territory-wide electronic waste recycling program on the go as our next big initiative. So, once again, it’s a question of time and capacity. There are old vehicles. Mr. Hawkins mentioned tires. We’ve had, as well, the issue of thousands of 45-gallon drums that are littered across the landscape. We know there are a lot of things we need to get to and we do have that list, but unfortunately I am not able to give any kind of affirmative response on that particular question.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Committee, we are on general comments.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Detail.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Is committee prepared to go into detail?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. Committee, page 89 we will defer until after the activity detail. That being said, I will have you turn to page 90, revenue summary, information item. Any questions? Mr. Bromley.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just noticed our licences, rental and other fees, water use fees are the same as they were last year. The Minister has said those would be going up. I am just wondering the status of that. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. We’ll go to the director, Ms. Craig.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Craig

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The budget is for the water use fees that the boards collect on behalf of the department for water licences. It’s just an estimate that we’re carrying through from what

was used by the federal government prior to devolution.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Craig. Mr. Bromley.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks for that response. I see what’s happening is not in line with what’s been said is going to happen. I think the Water Strategy recognizes that we’re undervaluing our water. The Minister’s on record as saying we’ll be working to correct that situation. I guess I’m asking where we will see that and when we will see that reflected in this budget. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you for finishing up, Mr. Bromley. Minister Miltenberger.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The work is going to get done, and the Member is correct that this does need looking at. We spent the first many months now, over nine months since devolution, getting things up and running. We are looking at a whole host of things that need to get looked at, fees, mirror legislation hasn’t been raised in this House and all that work is underway and starting to manifest itself here in the coming year. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I’ll leave it at that, other than noting that it’s 11 months. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. I didn’t hear a question in there, so we’ll actually go to Mr. Blake.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just really briefly under the timber permits and licences. I know it’s starting to be a concern here in my riding with people having to go to their renewable resource officers for timber permits for driftwood. I recall when this item came to the RRCs quite a while back here, that it was supposed to be just on a volunteer basis, but now it seems they’re turning this over to mandatory. You know, it’s more or less to see what volume of driftwood was taken just for needs was what they were telling us at the time. It’s starting to be an issue that now it’s mandatory for people to go and get the timber permits for driftwood which is all along the river. It’s not like it’s standing wood. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Blake. We’ll go to the deputy minister, Mr. Campbell.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The free timber cutting permits are, again, used as a management tool to assess what fuel biomass in the Northwest Territories is being used by residents. It absolutely is not a mechanism to infringe on people’s right to gather fuel wood, including driftwood. Driftwood has always been part of free timber cutting permits. Again, it’s a management tool for us to use in planning purposes for not just the government but for our

partners, as well, going forward on what’s being used for fuel wood in the Northwest Territories.

It is, no doubt, an area where we’ve been very, very flexible over the years. Our officers do carry them with them and work with the residents. Again, it’s to manage that resource. It’s to identify where people can harvest fuel wood for personal use so there are no conflicts with private landowners, leaseholders, et cetera, and we recognize that going forward we always want to manage the fuel wood that’s being used in the Northwest Territories.

Going forward the intent is to update our forest management legislation, and we’re hoping in the life of this government we will come forward with a legislative proposal. Again, we’ll undertake that exercise, hopefully in the life of the next government, in the same manner that we’ve done with the Wildlife Act, Species at Risk, et cetera, with those partners of ours having a major influence on how our legislation is crafted and we’ll get into areas such as free timber cutting permits, et cetera. But at this point it’s a management tool that we use to manage the use of the fuel wood in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Committee, we’re on page 90, revenue summary, information item.

Sorry, before we do that, I apologize, Minister Miltenberger.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the timber, I just wanted to make the observation, similar to wildlife or anything else that we do, is you can’t manage what you can’t count. So it’s a challenge in all areas. It’s a challenge, for example, with hunting and reporting. We’re working out ways we can get those numbers because it’s absolutely critical, as we see, when you look at managing any kind of resource like that. So, that’s the fundamental goal, not to infringe but on a conservation basis to be able to manage. You can’t manage what you can’t count. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Committee, again, page 90, revenue summary, information item. Any questions?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. Committee, page 91, active position summary, information item. Any questions? Mr. Bromley.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My first question is on… I note the division is responsible for regional land use planning and I know through our Aboriginal government partners we’ve got a lot of land use plans in place, Inuvialuit, Gwich’in, Sahtu, Tlicho, I believe even the Dehcho have done some work there. But there are two major areas,

the North Slave and South Slave, where there hasn’t been much work done.

Has the Minister initiated processes there to get that work done? For example, this government is talking about a road to resources, Slave Geological Province highway. Where’s the land use plan that would put some context around a project like that? Thank you.