This is page numbers 5807 – 5846 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was going.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. For that we’ll go to Mr. Williams.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Williams

Thank you, Mr. Chair. MACA’s role in the environmental liabilities is looking at all the sites and communities. Like, we have dumps that have closed, or sewage lagoons. We’re keeping the inventory. We bring it forward to the overall Environmental Liabilities Committee that is chaired by the Department of Finance. It’s more we track it, we work with communities and we do the first environmental site assessments, ESA1s that we’re responsible for, for those activities.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to Mr. Williams. Where is the money for this environmental liability work? Where does it show up in the budget?

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Williams

We’re not funded for ESA1s. We have to find the money within. But any ESA2s or 3s, it’s funded through the Environmental Liability Fund.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks for the explanation. It seems a little strange that the department is required to do work and doesn’t have any funding for it. Is this something that is minimal to no cost, or you’re overfunded and we don’t need to give you money for liability assessments? It just seems strange to me that if there’s work that the department has to do that there’s not an amount earmarked in the budget. Can I get a guesstimate of how much might be spent on environmental assessments in any one year?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Mr. Schauerte.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Schauerte

Thank you, Mr. Chair. By far the majority of the sites that MACA has booked under their environmental liability listing are active, open sites that are in communities. For example, a sewage lagoon or a solid waste facility. As these facilities are continued to be used by community governments, there is no point in doing any assessment until the facility is closed and we’re preparing to decommission that facility. Accordingly, the only two significant environmental cleanups that we’ve been working on lately have been funded centrally through the Department of Finance Environmental Liability Fund, and that was one facility, I believe it was in Sachs Harbour, I think, and one in Norman Wells that we’ve been working on.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Schauerte. Ms. Bisaro.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Last question here. Can I ask the department, over time we’re going to get more and more closed sites and sites that need to be remediated, so is it the intention of the department to put money into their budget to fund environmental liability assessments?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. For that we’ll go to Mr. Williams.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Williams

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Right now it would be great to have money put into the activity, but we do have staff that part of their job is to monitor the environmental liabilities at the community level. We do monitor it. We do bring ones forward that have to be brought to the attention of the Department of Finance and the Environmental Liability Fund.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, deputy minister. Ms. Bisaro.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. That was my last question, but I have to comment that if we think that remediating the environmental liabilities sites is important, then I would urge the department to request funding to make sure it gets done.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. We’ll allow the Minister a final comment. Minister McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We appreciate that support.

As the work picks up, there will be opportunities where we will have to come forward to request more money to deal with all the work that we are doing. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Committee, we are on page 355. Mr. Blake.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just briefly, I know in the past it was a huge issue of solid waste but also waste soil and other materials like this in all the communities in the Beaufort-Delta. I know that the communities, at one point, were looking at cost-effective ways to find a way, whether they all pitch in, to bring the costs down to get a lot of this waste soil and everything out of the communities. I know in some communities we have anywhere from 50 to 100 forty-five-gallon barrels of waste oil and other materials like this. If we don’t do anything with this, eventually it is going to leak through the barrels that they’re in now. I think now is the time to start preparing and getting these materials out of our territory and into the proper storage in the South. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Blake. Minister McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think the Member is absolutely correct. If the communities can work together to try and find good options for disposing of their waste oil and whatever else they may have. You go to a number of communities and you see a number of old trucks that are down at the dump. If they can come up with a way and cost share that, I think that would go a long way and get rid of a lot of their old oil, old vehicles and old tires. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Continuing with questions on community operations, I have Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was just wondering, under the drinking water quality in the Northwest Territories initiative and management by MACA, who is responsible for this particular area. Maybe you could describe on how they manage and monitor the fluoridation of the water and at what levels they monitor it. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. For that we will go to Mr. Williams.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Williams

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Each community is responsible for doing daily testing at the community level. The testing is done on a regular basis. It is sent into the Taiga Labs. We also have the environmental health involved to verify the tests.

As for fluoridation, that is reviewed through Taiga Labs as well. There are mechanisms in place to ensure that we have clean drinking water and good drinking water. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

I actually support the principle of fluoridation so it’s not a question of mine, but it is driven by a constituent concern, and I think it comes up every couple of years, so it’s always good to remind ourselves of this. Fluoridation is known as a potential carcinogenic element that we are putting into our water, but that said, it’s not as if we don’t know that. I guess in some ways, how do we communicate its risks and gains? I know the dental industry strongly supports that, fluoridation in our water, and that is part of the reason why I certainly support it. But that said, how do we communicate the risks to ensure that our citizens are informed? Thank you.

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Williams

We have a Joint Drinking Water Quality Committee. The Department of Health plays a big role in this on the public information side. So, through our website that we have and through websites of the Department of Health, it is certainly a way to communicate to the general public and through the health system. That is the role that they would provide. Thank you.