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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I know my colleagues have said a lot in a whole bunch of different areas within the departments. One with the cost of living in the Northwest Territories is continuing to get higher. As we see a slow econo

my, it’s really affecting a lot of our

communities, more in particular the Sahtu, up in our region, the Beaufort-Delta. I guess, you know, the one benefit is when we do create a lot of these infrastructure projects, especially the bigger ticket items, that it is creating jobs, it is creating a skilled workforce in the communities and throughout the Northwest Territories, so there is a benefit there and I know that there is a concern that this government is the main employer for the Northwest Territories and it does reflect in our budgets moving forward. But as the Minister stated earlier today in his statement, this is something that we can’t continue to sustain, we’ve got to find other ways to create that kind of revenue and get our people working. So I won

’t really get into the cost of living

but, you know, there are some opportunities for home and business owners to look at getting some infrastructure incentives to lower their cost of living.

I’m glad to see in this budget the continuation of the Mackenzie Valley Fibre Optic Link and seeing all the benefits from that and it’ll be great when that comes to more of a reality when it’s all finished and it’s up and running.

The same with the Inuvik-Tuk Highway. I know there have been a lot of concerns and discussions here in the House recently.

I think we’re certainly

going to see the benefits of that construction going on and I know there are some difficulties with the weather and unforeseen little delays in the project, but one thing that I think the government did a good job on is creating that oversight and getting the project manager on board perhaps a little bit sooner than later would have been a little bit more beneficial to the whole project in itself in getting things done and some of the oversights in the environmental side of things. But that’s one project, like I said earlier, that when we invest in some of these infrastructure projects it does benefit the territory and benefit people, especially up in the Beaufort-Delta and for future projects and other resource development.

Continuing on, I know there were two other kinds of projects in the community of Inuvik. One is that airport road from the airport into the community. I think this is the worst that I’ve ever seen it in all the years that I’ve driven it and have been driving it more lately than I usually do getting out to the airport. We had an accident on that road this past summer. It was an unfortunate accident, and before it gets any worse I think we need to create a bigger investment. I know they were talking about chipsealing it, and I know that when you chipseal it you have to continue to do the work over and over rather than putting that one big-time investment in

to try to get it done in a proper way so we wouldn’t have to continue to do the maintenance on it but, once again, with the permafrost and all those other issues. But I know that road has been in the worst condition that I’ve ever seen it in. I do know the airport facility is also on the books and that we’ve also got funding going

into the runway, so I’m

looking forward to seeing that study and how this government can support both the runway and the facility.

I guess another area of concern was just in terms of education. One good benefit was the note on the planning studies for the Yellowknife schools. I know that’s been a big concern for Members here in Yellowknife. I was glad to see that the dollars were being contributed to that. But other areas, we just came out with the feasibility study for early childhood development and the benefits of investing early on in life and what it will do for the government in so many different areas and possibly looking at seeing how we can create daycares in the communities. It doesn’t mean that every community needs to have one, but if we can look at creating something moving forward, because that feasibility study did prove a lot and show a lot in terms of our early childhood development.

You heard some concerns here about the Stanton Territorial Hospital. A big investment. A big project. I was

n’t in the government when the Inuvik school

got built but there were some concerns from the community, and you heard it from Members here in terms of contracting and local employment, and I want to make sure that those things are not overlooked when we’re creating such a big project, especially with a slow economy. I think that our northern contractors, our northern residents need to benefit from a huge project like this.

A lot of the other stuff that I had on the list here Members have said already and I

won’t reiterate

some of their comments. We’ll get into detail, but I just wanted to make a few general comments on the budget.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Moses. We’ll turn it over to Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The issue of cost of living and the role of the territorial government and the importance of our capital program, I agree with the Member’s comments about that, about the value and the role they play.

I appreciate his comments on the fibre link as well as the Inuvik-Tuk Highway. We will move that project to completion. We will sort through things that need sorting and we will continue on with that. Airport road is in bundle two of the Build Canada Fund. The runway study, there is work being done, I believe, in conjunction with the federal government to look at lengthening it for use that interests the federal government.

Investing in daycare is one of those issues that’s tied up in available funds that aren’t already subscribed to and our limitations.

We’ve had a lot of discussions about Stanton and the issue of its impact and the need for local opportunity. Not wanting to repeat all my comments in regard to Mr. Dolynny’s same question, we are very live to that issue and we intend to see the maximum benefit that can be under this project in terms of local opportunity.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Does committee agree that there are no further general comments?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Does the committee agree to proceed into detail?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Before we do so, I’d

like to thank our guests here today, Mr. Neudorf, Mr. Guy, Mr. Kalgutkar and, of course, Minister Miltenberger. If I can get the Sergeant-at-Arms to please escort our witnesses out of the Chamber.

Committee, as agreed earlier, we are going to turn our attention now to the capital estimates, Department of Education, Culture and Employment. With that, we’ll turn it over to the Minister to see if he has any witnesses he’d like to bring into the House. Minister Lafferty.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Yes, I do, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Lafferty. Does committee agree?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, committee. If I can get the Sergeant-at-Arms to please escort the witnesses into the House.

Minister Lafferty, if you’d be kind enough to introduce your witnesses to the House, please.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. I have with me, to my left, David Stewart. He is the deputy minister

of

Education,

Culture and

Employment. Also, to my right, Olin Lovely. He is the assistant deputy minister, corporate services, with the Education department.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Lafferty. Thank you for joining us, Mr. Lovely and Mr. Stewart. Welcome back to the House.

Committee, if I can turn your attention to your capital infrastructure workbooks, we are going to be doing Education as indicated. We’re going to be on page 13. With that, we’ll defer that after consideration of the activity detail. I’d ask your indulgence to turn to page 14, education and culture, infrastructure investments, $6.627 million. Does committee agree? Ms. Bisaro.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to clarify, so when you mention one page we’re also including the descriptions that are on the following page? Yes.

I don’t have a question particularly about these projects. I do want to state again that I’m very pleased to see that we have planning study money for two schools in Yellowknife. Particularly, in my mind, J.H. Sissons is very much overdue. Mildred Hall is a continuation of a renovation from quite some years ago. But if we could get Sissons on the renovation list in terms of capital planning sooner rather than later,

I think it’s something that is

definitely needed. I’m glad to see that there is planning money there and I hope it will come to fruition as a capital plan in the capital plan in the next budget year.

I just want to comment, as I did in my opening remarks,

about

the

amount

of

education

infrastructure in general, and there just is not much in this budget. We have some 45 or 49 schools; I can’t quite remember. But you look at this page and there are really only three schools that are getting any kind of an infrastructure boost, so to speak. We’ve got a mid-life retrofit in one school, we have an addition in another, and we have some interior upgrades in a third one. Everything else is bits and pieces. We’ve got planning studies, we’ve got the sewer line at Sir John which is being fixed, and Lord knows it’s been talked about by YK No. 1 for probably 10 years now, so I’m very glad to see that in there as well.

But there’s minimal large infrastructure projects for education in general, and out of our 40-some schools to have only three on this list and one of which is interior upgrades tells me that we’re not doing enough to maintain our schools and we’re not doing enough to make sure that our schools are kept up to the standard that they need to be.

I just make that as a general comment, and I would hope that in the next couple of capital budgets that there’s going to be an awful lot more money put into school additions, renovations, new schools where necessary. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. More of a comment, but I will allow the Minister opportunity to reply. Minister Lafferty.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. Yes, on a going-forward basis, the planning study has been in the works for some time. Members have raised that issue in the House. It’s here before us and it’s going forward.

A capital plan for 2015-2016, obviously there are other pressing issues, as well, in the Northwest Territories. I have to remind the House that we spent well over $150 million over the past five years. So we’ve had our turn and there are other significant projects on the go. I agree with the

Member that as we move forward, we should be putting more emphasis on our schools, whether it be renovating and so forth. I fully agree with her that that will be our focus as we embark on future prospects. Mahsi, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Lafferty. Ms. Bisaro, are you concluded?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I’m good. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Continuing on with detail again, we are on pages 14 and 15, which are the project listings on Education, Culture and Employment. I have Mr. Menicoche.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

September 29th, 2015

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. With the Charles Tetcho School addition, I am pleased we are addressing the concerns of the larger student population in Trout Lake. I know that the community agreed to the school addition with reservations because that is their community hall and they are losing it. It needs to be said, Mr. Chair, that I am pleased that we are addressing the student population and the growth of the community of Trout Lake; however, we are losing the community hall. Maybe with the Minister’s support, he can raise with his Cabinet colleagues that moving forward in future capital plans we are going to have to be looking at a community hall to meet the needs of Trout Lake because they do use this facility six days a week and the whole community is involved. In small communities people gather around and this is one of the focal facilities that brings the community together.

The question I have is capital upgrades to support lockdown procedures for safe schools. I would just like to know what the plans are there for improving our lockdown procedures. Thanks.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Minister Lafferty.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Chair. With respect to the Trout Lake school, the last time we visited, I went there with my staff and also Mr. Menicoche and the school representatives. I wanted to see with my own eyes what’s been referred to as a community gathering. The school is also attached to the community hall. We took that into perspective as well. The community obviously wanted us to address the school because the student population is increasing. Obviously, it was the wish of the community to move forward on that addition. Mr. Menicoche obviously stated concerns, as well, about the community hall and how we can address that. Those are discussions we’ve had with other departments, as well, MACA and PWS. It is a concern that’s been brought to our attention as well. We will continue to work towards how we can rectify that situation.

With regards to safe schools and lockdown procedures, obviously we have been working very

closely with the divisional education councils and the schools regarding the existing public address systems

– it’s called PAs – and the lockdown

procedures. Many of our PA systems are deficient and require upgrades and replacement. Those are areas that we will continue to focus on to provide even more support to the schools to put those into perspective, upgrade them as well.

Unless I missed out on key topics, Mr. Chair, those are some key areas the Member was referring to. Mahsi.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Certainly, even thou

gh we’re

living in the North and we have small and remote communities, I always see in the news schools being locked down or severe incidents happening, so I am pleased we are moving forward with this. Perhaps the Minister could say how he’s handling the smaller communities. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Obviously, there is a process in place. We’ve been at this for some time now. We are working with divisional education councils and obviously working very closely with the Department of Public Works and Services to confirm this is the highest priority projects for my department to move forward on. Safety is always a big concern and priority for my department and also the GNWT. That’s why this is before us. Safe schools has been a very important process we have been working with. Again, I just want to re- emphasize we are working with all school boards to make it a priority for the other 49 schools as well. Mahsi.