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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I have questions for the Minister of Justice in regard to some of the campaigns and the work they're doing around how we're kind of getting rid of the bootleggers and the drug dealers in the community. I guess my first question is the Not Us! campaign. I know it's been successful in some of the communities in the past. Hay River and Yellowknife have had successful programs. Inuvik did have a very successful program at one time.

I just want to ask the Minister, how much funding is allocated for this program and is it being utilized in the Northwest Territories and has there been an increase at all over the years?

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses. The Minister of Justice, Mr. Ramsay.

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The total allotted to the Not Us! campaign by the Department of Justice is $100,000 per year. Communities can be provided with up to $10,000 to create and implement their own campaigns in their own communities, plus up to $5,000 annually as well.

We've had some success in a number of communities across the Northwest Territories, Fort Good Hope, Fort Liard, Fort Smith, Gameti, Hay River, Ndilo, Detah, Paulatuk, Ulukhaktok, and also here in Yellowknife.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

As I mentioned in my Member's statement, we've got to create awareness and education on these programs and let our residents, especially the ones who have a certain interest in getting rid of our bootleggers and drug dealers, about such campaigns like this. I know I've also asked in the past in terms of prevention and promotion. I know we had one canine here, a canine unit in the Northwest Territories, and speaking to our Minister, that has been up to two.

I'm just wondering, I'm sure I asked questions about this before. I just want to get an update whether or not those canines on request would be able to get into the communities on a more regular basis and more or less kind of control and patrol our airports and our road systems.

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

That would be an operational decision of the RCMP, but what I can say is in the 12 years that I've been a Member of the Legislative Assembly, I don't recall a year where we've seen more drug seizures, illegal alcohol going into communities. We've had just today another three seizures in small communities across the NWT, and the number of drug busts is really something. It really gets back to the great police work that the RCMP are providing for us here in the NWT, and also campaigns like the Not Us! campaign and also Crime Stoppers. At the end of the day, community members have just had enough of the bootleggers and the drug dealers in their community and want to do something about it.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

The Minister did allude to Crime Stoppers as being one type of avenue. Can I ask the Minister if there are any other types of phone lines or tips hotlines that the Minister can reference that would allow residents of the Northwest Territories to give an anonymous phone call to get some of these, I guess, perpetrators in the community who do the bootlegging and sell drugs, if there's any other type of hotline in the small communities that they can call to address such a situation? As we've mentioned, I think there are maybe 11 communities that don't have RCMP officers at the moment.

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

The only way we are going to rid our communities of bootleggers and drug dealers is to let the authorities know. In the communities, folks can contact the local detachments. If they want anonymity they can look to Crime Stoppers, and we've advanced the Crime Stoppers board here. There's a renewed effort to get that board up and active here in the Northwest Territories. We're very encouraged by that. There are opportunities for folks to provide information to the RCMP whether it's anonymously or through the local detachments.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

I know that in the Northwest Territories we do have communities that are accessible by road, by water, the Mackenzie River. I'm just wondering if the Minister would be working with the RCMP “G” Division to create higher awareness in those areas that are accessible by land. I know there have been concerns and issues brought forth, and as the Minister alluded to earlier, there have been a lot of seizures in the communities where a lot of booze and drugs have been taken, and we've seen that in the media. Would the Minister work with the RCMP “G” Division to create more public awareness around those communities that are accessible by land and water?

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

It's very important that that message continue to get out. As the Minister of Justice, along with my counterparts from across the country, we're deeply concerned with the number of deaths that are caused by the illegal drug fentanyl, and I think that's something that we have to be acutely aware of as well. I know we've had some recent seizures of that drug here in Yellowknife. It's very alarming.

We do have RCMP patrols, and one of the seizures that I spoke of earlier was near the community of Tulita where a jet boat was intercepted with a number of bottles of liquor on board. Also, road checks and the winter roads. We really increase our efforts when the winter road season is in, and check stops and ensuring that there is not illegal alcohol going into our smaller communities.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. The Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With respect to the last conversation, I have to say kudos to the RCMP for the job they're doing. They're doing a great job lately.

My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Lands. I want to follow up on some questions that I asked to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources last week. The Minister of ENR, in answering questions to me about the Cantung Mine, indicated that there is about $11.6 million held in financial security for the Cantung Mine.

I'd like to ask the Minister of Lands what form that security is in. We have several different kinds of security which we can hold. I'd like to know how this $11.6 million is held.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. The Minister of Lands, Mr. McLeod.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct; we are holding $11.6 million, but as per the form, I would have to confirm that and share it with the Member.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I'll take that commitment. My information is that out of the $11.6 million that about $5 million is in promissory notes. I think promissory notes as an accepted form of security for the liability and reclamation of a mine are not worth very much. Next to worthless is my understanding.

I'd like to ask the Minister, if some of this security is promissory notes, would he consider asking the company to change them to an irrevocable letter of credit, which does have great value, as opposed to a promissory note which has very little value?

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Part of our process now, plenty of security is set. Our division at Lands will negotiate with the proponent the form of security. There has been some concerns in the past, raised with promissory notes and other forms of security that is believed doesn't hold much weight. So, we will negotiate with them.

As for the actual figures on this one again, I will confirm those figures and share it with the Member and if there's an opportunity to renegotiate that, I mean, they're in a situation right now where I don't know how difficult it would be for us or make it difficult for us to negotiate with them, but I will get those figures and I will share them with the Members. Thank you.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I guess I would say, considering the situation that North American Tungsten is in, it's imperative that we check what kind of security we have and probably ensure that we have security that is going to assist us in reclamation if they go under.

To the Minister: I'd like to know, we hold $11.6 million in whatever form of security, but how much is the reclamation going to cost for this particular development, this particular mine? Can the Minister advise us what the estimate of the reclamation is and what kind of liability we would estimate we have for this particular property?

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

I wouldn't have those figures. It's too early right now. I think we'd have to do an assessment of the potential reclamation costs. So it is fairly early right now. We are holding $11.6 million, but as for the rest of it, again, it is fairly early and we will have an opportunity to do an assessment to see what the actual reclamation costs may be. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister: I'm a little surprised that we haven't yet done an assessment. I would have thought that once we took over the ownership of a property, and apparently we now have responsibility for the Cantung Mine, that an assessment would be done so that we'd know what kind of liability we're looking at.

So, in terms of this assessment, if it has not been done, when will it be done, and if there is a variation in the amount of liability required by the assessment and the amount of liability we hold, will the Minister aggressively renegotiate the agreement that we have with North American Tungsten? Thank you.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

We will commit as a government, as a Department of Lands, that going forward we will aggressively negotiate all future land lease securities. I think because we have the authority now, it's more important that we do our due diligence. I do know in June of this year there was a water licence amendment for the mine and I think the revised security amount was set at $30 million. So again, we will do our due diligence and I will confirm these figures and share them with the Member. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley.

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are also for Minister McLeod today. The recent reports from the YWCA in Yellowknife show that there are 64 families in emergency and transitional housing in the last fiscal year with more than 100 families on the waiting list, 50 women waiting to get into Lynn's Place here in Yellowknife, 152 families on the waiting list to get into Yellowknife Housing Authority's housing units. So these are obviously appalling numbers. Housing First programs are getting lots of kudos as a housing solution across North America.

I'm wondering: what is the Minister's understanding of Housing First programs, their successes and their applicability here in the NWT. Mahsi.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister of Lands, Mr. McLeod.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have done some research into Housing First and we are working with the Department of Justice to integrative case management and we're exploring the possibility of a Housing First model. I believe that the City of Yellowknife is one of the only communities in the Northwest Territories that's large enough to access some of the funding that the federal government has made available. So I think they're also trying to pilot a Housing First project and we're working with them. Thank you.