This is page numbers 6175 - 6206 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was work.

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Question 808-17(5): Aurora College Social Work Program
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

What I'm willing to do is listen to the students and listen to community members on which area we should focus on, whether it be a bachelor of education, whether it be social work, the nursing degree-granting program or other specialized degree programs here in the Northwest Territories. Those are the people who are taking those courses. We need to listen to them. That's what we're doing at the current stage, having a survey from the college perspective, to hear and also receive feedback from the students who are taking these programs.

Question 808-17(5): Aurora College Social Work Program
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Question 808-17(5): Aurora College Social Work Program
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, the students have been saying this for years. The instructors at the college have been saying this for years. What will it take from the Minister to finally break through and realize how important this particular option and opportunity is? I'm willing to go get a survey. Does he want 100 names on a petition? Does he want 1,000 names? You tell us what we'll do and we'll help him do his job. That's all I want. Frankly, what does the Minister need from us to help him realize how important this degree program is and we'll go out and do it. Maybe he can tell us what will make the difference.

Question 808-17(5): Aurora College Social Work Program
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi. The program that we're currently delivering, the Social Work Diploma Program, is working effectively and efficiently. We're graduating students. Beyond that they're going to southern institutions to get their degree programming and then they're moving back to the North to work for us. We have internship programs where we've hired all these students as well.

So, it is a very successful diploma program. We're doing really well with our college programming. There's always room for improvement. This is an area that we are currently exploring. Mahsi.

Question 808-17(5): Aurora College Social Work Program
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Final, short... No, you you've already had your questions, Mr. Hawkins. Nice try.

---Laughter

The Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Blake.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a few questions for the Minister of Transportation. Earlier this session I did a statement on the need for funds to install a bridge at Willow River.

As we speak, the community is doing a gravel haul up to Willow River. It's a perfect opportunity to put this bridge in place. Over the last couple of weeks we've had a chinook up in my riding and with this warm weather we're expecting an early spring, so this work needs to be done before April.

Will the Minister work with the community to ensure that we can spend these funds before April and invoice later? Thank you.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake. The Minister of Transportation, Mr. Beaulieu.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are working with the community from our regional office in Inuvik. Our superintendent has had contact with the community that's going to be installing the bridge, hauling the bridge from Inuvik and I think another piece of the bridge from the South. Also, this concept of them spending the money now and then requesting that it be preapproved from the following season is something that we're looking at seriously. We have a budget now, one to do the entire bridge from them and then one for work that is immediate. So it looks very reasonable from what I can see and we're moving forward on that. Thank you.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. That's great news and I look forward to this bridge being hauled into Aklavik and later to the work site.

With these funds, the community can start putting this bridge in place, and also I mentioned they were doing a gravel haul. At this time of year, the departments usually are on a spending frenzy here.

Will the Minister work with his department to ensure that they stockpile gravel in the community of Aklavik in order to fuel projects this summer? Thank you.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

The gravel is something we have worked on every year. I think last year we were okay. We had a bit of a surplus of gravel. If the gravel sources are down, then, we do have a granular program. I think probably the community has one and we would do one with the Department of Transportation as well. So we will continue to do that. We will also agree with the latest numbers that we have they're reasonable and the DOT will reimburse the community if they spend the money to haul the bridge in from Inuvik and also from Nelson, I believe, because there's still one piece of the bridge down there. Thank you.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

We have just over a month of time to do this work. That's not a lot of time, especially with the warm weather coming closer. As I mentioned, Housing actually is stockpiling gravel in the community, but the contractor is not planning to put this road in place due to the cost of the next couple of years. So I strongly encourage the Minister and the department to ensure that they stockpile enough for the next couple of years here. They will be making the road up to the bridge site, but it's not planned up to the gravel source. Thank you.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

We're getting into the funding of this road because we're hoping that the road is completed all the way to the gravel source. So we'll continue to work with the community and fund what we can on the road annually. We have a limited amount of funds and we have quite a number of projects throughout the North under accessing this Access Road Program, but on this road here we've begun to fund it. We're looking at it. The community is starting to see that we're serious about getting that bridge in and start building the road to the gravel source at Willow River. Thank you.

Question 809-17(5): Willow River Bridge
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. The Member for Deh Cho, Mr. Nadli.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday I raised some questions in terms of the Dehcho Process negotiations. We seem to be at an important juncture between the negotiations with the federal government, GNWT and the DFN. What's at stake is the fundamental divide seems to be getting greater daily, and yesterday the Minister of the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations stated that the GNWT never left the table.

So I want to ask a question to the Minister of the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations whether he can clarify whether his officials have cancelled negotiation sessions with the Dehcho First Nations or not. Mahsi.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli. The honourable Premier, Premier McLeod.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Dehcho First Nations has written, through legal counsel, to inform the Government of the Northwest Territories and Canada that the Dehcho First Nations is pursuing litigation against both governments. The correspondence accuses the Government of the Northwest Territories of negotiating in bad faith. The Government of the Northwest Territories does not negotiate in bad faith. The Government of the Northwest Territories understands that it is not bad faith to have officials work collaboratively for almost two years exploring creative solutions to land questions. It is not bad faith for a party to negotiate to offer the best land quantum deal ever offered in the Northwest Territories. It is not bad faith to honestly communicate that extent of flexibility and it is certainly not bad faith for a party to negotiations to acknowledge that the parties may be too far apart to warrant continuing negotiations.

The correspondence also accuses the Government of the Northwest Territories and Canada of breaching our duty to consult, which is baffling. No particulars of this have been provided. The GNWT takes its duties very seriously and we have been very open and transparent. I can't imagine any basis for these claims.

While raising litigation may be an ill-advised negotiation tactic, we must take it seriously even if we see no merit to it. If this is simply a tactic, this is certainly not helpful. I believe respect is built on honest and frank discussions. Making baseless accusations and threats of litigation is not how you build relationships and move forward.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Thank you. The initial settlement boundary or the territory of the Dehcho First Nations is about 210,000 square kilometres, which is the southwestern part of the NWT. The negotiations between the federal government and Dehcho First Nations was bilateral for the longest time and the GNWT became a party to those negotiations recently. Now it's a negotiations process that involves the federal government, the GNWT and the Dehcho First Nations.

Could the Minister of the Department of Aboriginal Affairs explain how he understands that, one, the federal offer to the Dehcho First Nations was a land quantum of 39,336 square kilometres and, two, that the GNWT offer of 37,500 square kilometres is more than the federal offer? Mahsi.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Certainly, Mr. Speaker, it is unfortunate that this type of behaviour from the Dehcho negotiators is not new. At this point it is getting even more difficult to see a path forward through negotiations.

To answer the Member's questions, all you have to do is do the math. The federal government offered 39,000. That's when the Dehcho included the Acho Dene Koe, the Fort Liard Metis Nation and the K'atlodeeche First Nation. So when you subtract those numbers, you come to 33,448 and we have offered 37,500 square kilometres of land, so it's a substantial increase. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Previous efforts to bridge the gap. Right now the gap is getting wider as our discussions take place, or lack of discussions on the fundamental differences in terms of the jurisdiction, the ownership and also the sovereignty of the Dehcho First Nations asserted territory.

Previous efforts were to mandate a federal ministerial envoy to help facilitate that gap between the Dehcho First Nations and the federal government.

Does the Minister agree to a mediator as an option to help facilitate getting beyond the current impasse? Mahsi.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Today in the Deh Cho Drum, the grand chief is quoted as saying, “I've been in this business for a long time. Any time the Dehcho has taken these kind of extreme actions, we always come out ahead.” Extreme positions are not helpful or productive. All of this is unfortunate, and the people that are losing out because of this are the people of the Deh Cho.

The Dehcho Framework Agreement provides facilitation may be requested should the parties come to an impasse. We have, of course, been working on the impasse related to land for a long time. While facilitation might be an option to consider, it is not something that can be realistically entertained while one party is accusing the other of bad faith and stating that it intends to litigate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Thank you. I'm going to be very brief. Can the Minister, once again, clarify whether the GNWT officials have suspended negotiations? Yes or no. Thank you.

Question 810-17(5): Dehcho Process Negotiations
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Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

As I said yesterday, we have not walked away from any meetings. We have not suspended anything. We have asked for a response to a very generous offer, the best offer this government has made in the Northwest Territories. We have increased the Government of Canada's offer from 33,448 to 37,500, and as I said, there is a main table that's there. That involves the Government of Canada, the Government of the Northwest Territories and Dehcho First Nation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Hay River North, Mr. Bouchard.

Question 811-17(5): Northern Manufactured Products Policy
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Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My example of the plow truck is only one of many that I could bring up in this House. My next question is for the Minister of ITI responsible for BIP manufacturing and BIP.

My question is: With communication that we've had before these tenders for the plow truck went out, about the concern, about the value-added in the Northwest Territories, how can the Department of ITI improve this system? Thank you.